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Police union probes Moose
WorldNetDaily ^ | 4-9-03 | Paul Sperry

Posted on 04/09/2003 11:57:42 AM PDT by Prince Charles

Police union probes Moose

Special panel to investigate why chief withheld suspect, vehicle descriptions

Posted: April 9, 2003

1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Paul Sperry © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

ROCKVILLE, Md. -- The police union here has formed a special committee to investigate Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose's handling of look-out information during the Beltway sniper manhunt, union officials told WorldNetDaily.

Officials complain that Moose, who led the multi-agency sniper investigation, withheld critical information about the sniper suspects from investigators and patrol officers, thereby jeopardizing their safety.

Chief Charles Moose

In their recently inked labor contract, the county agreed to include a safety provision that obligates Moose to share information with his officers in such dangerous cases. Moose vehemently opposed the measure, officials say, arguing that it implied he had done something wrong.

But the 1,050-member Montgomery County Fraternal Order of Police isn't stopping there.

"We want to determine when management first knew the ID of the suspects and the vehicle" during the three-week manhunt, said FOP President Walter Bader.

The 10-member committee last month began soliciting testimony from detectives who worked on the sniper case, he says. It plans to report its findings publicly in May.

"This is a serious thing," Bader said, defending the union's plans to go public with details about the controversial investigation.

"Imagine over in Iraq commanding officers withholding information from soldiers that could mean the difference between life and death," he said in a WorldNetDaily interview. "Police officers are in a war every day."

John Lee Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo

Police department sources warn that the panel's report could trigger negligence lawsuits by families of some of the sniper victims, if it concludes Moose delayed the capture of sniper suspects John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo by holding back information about them, such as their physical descriptions.

Phone calls and e-mails to Moose's office and lawyer were not returned.

Sources say at least three detectives on the case have already come forward with information that reveals Moose had a solid ID of the suspects earlier than he claims. He says Muhammad and Malvo weren't suspects until Oct. 23, the day before they were caught.

They shot their last victim, bus driver Conrad Johnson, in Maryland on Oct. 22.

But as WorldNetDaily first revealed, Moose dispatched a team of five undercover agents to stake-out Muhammad's ex-wife's house on Oct. 22, and swore them to secrecy.

"There's no doubt Moose knew [they were the suspects] either the day the bus driver was shot or the day before," said a Montgomery County police officer.

Yet, up until late in the evening of Oct. 23, Moose and the sniper task force had investigators and patrol officers looking for a white suspect in a white vehicle.

"They should have known they were black from Day One, if they had listened to witnesses here and in D.C.," the officer said.

A witness to the first shooting at a Michaels crafts store in Maryland, which took place Oct. 2, described the suspects as two short-haired black males driving a dark, beat-up vehicle, as WND first reported.

Moose has parlayed his fame from the high-profile sniper case into book and movie contracts. Despite a county ethics panel ruling against the deals, his lawyer says he plans go ahead with at least the book.


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KEYWORDS: chief; chiefmoose; dcsniper; donutwatch; malvo; moose; muhammad; police; sniper; union; washington
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To: Cicero
I don't recall the timeline, but someone reported the correct car, and Moose ignored the report for some time.

The car was reported after the fifth sniper murder, that of the Haitian man in D.C. the second day of the murders. But now it turns out a similar car was reported after the first shooting, the one that broke a window without killing anyone.

41 posted on 04/09/2003 2:00:17 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: archy
Yeah, dude, all cops are bad people, wadda wadda wadda. Gee, four are on death row. Out of how many thousands that serve and protect us? Well, fellow Freepers, looks like archy has a revelation for all of us: Police officers are human beings and sometimes do bad things!!! Gosh, we better indict all cops now!!! Go back to DU...
42 posted on 04/09/2003 2:20:21 PM PDT by HenryLeeII
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To: Prince Charles
Police union probes Moose

Were free donuts provided during this activity?
43 posted on 04/09/2003 2:57:02 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: HenryLeeII
Yeah, dude, all cops are bad people, wadda wadda wadda.

Not at all. But some are not only filthy criminals themselves, but are so sloppy at it that it becomes obvious to the general public, and those idiots have to be made examples. Most of the rest will go along with the coverups and *blue wall of silence* so long as they get their cut of the action, or at least continue receiving the perks, freebies and immunities from obeying the laws they enforce on others.

Gee, four are on death row. Out of how many thousands that serve and protect us?

I'd hope the one in Louisiana who murdered her partner and the owners of the restaurant she robbed but overlooked one child witness she forget to kill with her other victims was an exception. But who can better pull off a murder and get away with it, and who is better able to cut a deal with the prosecution for a lesser charge?

Well, fellow Freepers, looks like archy has a revelation for all of us: Police officers are human beings and sometimes do bad things!!!

Like murder people and rape children. And cover up for their fellow criminals in blue who continue to do so, much less the ones with their fingers and noses in the drug rackets, too numerous to count.

Gosh, we better indict all cops now!!!

Nah, just keep an eye on them, and get rid of the ones that need it as we can, treating them the same as any other criminals.

Go back to DU...

Sorry, I don't even hunt ducks since my last birddog died.

-archy-/-

44 posted on 04/09/2003 3:10:50 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Prince Charles
Hmmm...Moose must be an awfully good actor then. He came across as a very nice Christian man who thanked God the snipers were captured. His wife seemed a gentle soul as well. Who knows? Maybe those who are calling for the investigation are the racists. Okay, flame me now. :-)
45 posted on 04/09/2003 3:18:43 PM PDT by arasina (PRAY for our troops, our president, our journalists, the POWs and the innocents!)
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To: HenryLeeII
The problem with those military analogies is they advance the processes of militarizing police.

That is a VERY BAD trend.

We need cops that see their role as a civilian function, not a paramilitary function. Black BDUs, no-knock raids, and military weapons are a BAD THING when 99.9% of what cops do has no need of those things. We could have one highly trained State Police unit in each state to handle those situations, and spend more time doing dull work like taking fingerprints at burglary scenes and matching them to known criminals.

The lousy performance on solving property and ordinary violent crime is in large measure due to the "we have more important things to do" attitude.

To restore balance, I'd say that for every year a cop wore black BDUs, they ought to wear a pink bunny suit. That by itself would weed out a lot of cops that are in that job for the wrong reasons.
46 posted on 04/09/2003 3:19:06 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Sloth
A moose once probed my sister.

Was she driving a white van?

47 posted on 04/09/2003 3:23:28 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: shotgun
He was just trying to protect his sources for his up coming book. Can't a guy just make a buck.

And remember even Bill and Hil got paid to write books about things they couldn't remember while they were in office.

48 posted on 04/09/2003 3:26:33 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Thnaks for the ping, Kim.
49 posted on 04/09/2003 3:53:07 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: HenryLeeII
, they deserve our respect and gratitude.

No they don't, they earn it just like everyone else.

50 posted on 04/09/2003 4:04:33 PM PDT by thepitts (The republic depends upon fervent devotion to all our fundamental rights.)
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To: dljordan
Already happened - post 13 disagrees, but doesn't have any facts to back it up - just an intense dislike of me for not liking the taste of shoe polish as well as he/she does.
52 posted on 04/09/2003 4:58:16 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
It's about time they moved against Moose, that bigot!
53 posted on 04/09/2003 5:04:38 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: HenryLeeII
Why don't you sell your statist attitude to the parents, widows and orhans of the innocent "civilians" whom the police gun down every year and never suffer any consequences for. Why don't you try selling your love of authority to all of those in places like Baltimore and Detroit who are prevented by the police from effectively protecting themselves because of gun control. The homicide rate among ordinary citizens in both of those places is a lot higher than among the police in there.
54 posted on 04/09/2003 5:05:41 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: gratefulwharffratt
your hero ping
55 posted on 04/09/2003 5:12:18 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: tracer
There were claims at the time that Moose knew but withheld information because he is racist. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but they cited other incidents during his Portland tenure where he displayed significant racism in the course of his job.
56 posted on 04/09/2003 5:26:32 PM PDT by Some hope remaining.
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To: from occupied ga
Follow a cop's daily life in NYC, Detroit or LA and you wouldn't say that. Any place that has big time gangs and big time drugs is a a kill zone day in and day out.
57 posted on 04/09/2003 5:54:35 PM PDT by thathamiltonwoman
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To: thathamiltonwoman
NYPD is relatively well-run.

Detroit, however, is a joke.

In NO city do the cops have a decent solution rate for robbery muggings and burglaries.

Even the rape and murder solution rates are down from the historic norm of 80%. IIRC it is about 50% in Detroit. That's right: unless you are caught dripping with your victim's blood screaming "I killed him!" you have a good chance of getting away with murder.

And it isn't as if police don't cost a lot. The cost keeps going up as effectiveness goes down.

Cops are going the way of public schools.

And I should respect cops in these cities... why?
58 posted on 04/09/2003 6:21:48 PM PDT by eno_
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To: aristeides
Wouldn't it be great if they turned all the records over to the FBI and went through them with a fine tooth comb? Never happen, of course, and the FBI is no longer the FBI it was under Hoover.
59 posted on 04/09/2003 6:27:52 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Moose should be FIRED and ARRESTED -

That sounds like a start. But actually, the best thing would be if somebody sued the city for failing to provide protection, or found some other way to sue them, since cities and city agencies are notoriously hard to sue.

The only thing that talks to the bureaucracy is money. If cities lose money for hiring and promoting people like Moose (and I suspect he was racially motivated - there was some similar incident in Portland, if I recall correctly), they'll get the message.

Moose's hiding of the facts cost the lives of black people, as well. Antics like his benefit nobody in this society except the criminals.

60 posted on 04/09/2003 6:29:54 PM PDT by livius
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