Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

[EverOnward]

"I agree with the Jewish people there. They should have removed references to Jesus."

I'm going to assume you are Jewish. I have a question for you. Why are Jews so vehemently opposed to the mere mention of "Jesus." Why is the mere mention of that word so threatening and reprehensible to Jews? I'm betting the Jewish lawmakers have never made such a stink over the name "Mohamad."

[sauropod]

Then the Universal Jewish Encyclopedi is wrong.

[katnip]

We believe in the Trinity.

To deny Jesus' name and that he is truly who we pray to when we pray to G-d, means we are lost forever.

He is our (Christians) only way to Heaven.

[1 spark]

Either one accepts the New Testament or one does not.

Said like one who leans toward fundamentalism. Many who don't, would disagree.

[DensaMensa]

}}In Jesus Name" is a STANDARD closure to any Christian prayer and has nothing to do with "emphasizing differences".

}Do you comprehend the meaning of the word "difference."

Yes, do you understand the meaning of STANDARD closure? If you don't want a Christian Cleric to give the prayer because it may offend your tender sensitivities, don't ask. This is not complicated.

[sauropod]

I would.

[nmh]

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

Ditto! It;s time for others to show some respect and tolerance. It is ONLY to Jesus that Christians pray. They have NO choice but to reference His name. To suggest otherwise would void the prayer.

[yonif]

Read my other posts and see what I mean.
I am Jewish.
I am not opposed to the mention of Jesus.
I would not be opposed to the mention of Jesus if I went to a Church and heard it.
But this prayer was directed towards the whole of the legislators, right? There are Jews and Christians there. I found it inappropriate to make a prayer that was exclusive of the Jews there. This person was invited to make a prayer to all those there.
He should have chosen something that can be said to both Jews and Christians.

[JWinNC]

I don't know what the Christian said at the memorial so I can't speak to that. Speaking and praying are different.

If the Christian prayed at the memorial, then I expect he/she would pray in Jesus' name.

"Would it make more sense to make a prayer that both Jews and Christians can accept?"

No, it would not. Who can or will accept it is irrelevent. A prayer designed for the audience is not a prayer.

JWinNC

[sauropod]

Absolutely! Thank you for the post!

[sauropod]

I am truly sorry you have decided to take offense.

That was not my intent in my dialogue with you.

[nmh]

"I agree. An old testament reference would have been more suitable. This is a country founded on Judeo-Christain principles. Prayers made in a government setting should not offend either the Jewish or Christain religion."

Being Jewish this would fit YOUR beliefs however Christians accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. To ignore that He is the Messiah would not be Christian.

It's time for you and others to show some respect and tolerance for the beliefs of others. It is ONLY to Jesus that Christians can pray. They have NO choice but to reference His name. To suggest otherwise would void the prayer. Now do yo get it? You don't have to accept it but I do suggest you show some respect and tolerance for others that wish to make a request to Jesus.

[Scothia]

Except for one thing...Christians pray in the name of Jesus Christ. If you include Christians as convocators (?) this is what they do. It is how they were instructed to pray by Christ. Just like Jews wearing yamakahs yamakas (beanies!!) you know what I mean!!

The yarmulke thing is an excellent point. Jews believe the Almighty would have men wear them as a sign of humility. Many Christians believe just the opposite. Yet in an ecumenical service, we are not to lambaste the rabbi for wearing his yarmulke, even if it is offensive to us. We just deal with it, in the attitude of ecumenism and (cough cough) tolerance. Yet this attitude never seems to apply to Christians who actually purport to believe what they say. If they are Christian enough to pray unashamedly in the name of Jesus, whom Christians after all are supposed to worship as God, why are they then castigated? Do we then disallow the rabbi his yarmulke, the Buddhist his robes, the Muslim his beard, the feminist goddess worshipper her drum and amulets? Hmmmmm?

[ET(end tyranny)]

Just a question, but why couldn't the prayer just have included G-d? Jews and Christians both worship the G-d of Abraham, why wasn't that enough?

Good question. Our currency says, In G-d We Trust.

[sauropod]

Answer is yes.

[TopQuark]

As I said earlier, I equally respect my Christian friends.

I've seen enough people, and I can tell that you do not mean bad things you say, but you say them. The phrase "This is a Christian nation" implies by all standards of logic that if one is not a Christian, he is not an American. YOu may not mean it --- and I take your word for it that you do not --- but that is what you say.

Your position amounts to "I am going to be very free with the words, and throw them around freely. If people misunderstand my good intensions, tough luck; ley them grow skin."

Well, you are not at the center of the universe; the language is a two-way street. If you repeat the favorite phraze of the Aryan Nation, I have the right to take it face value without spending an hour of my life to find out that your heart is better than your mouth.

Finally, I showed in a previous post by example, that you wouldn't like it. "Do unto others..."

I appreciate and accept the clarification you gave. Let's call it a night, shall we?

Have a happy Easter holiday, if I don't see you before then.

[sauropod]

Then disagree friend. I wish you well.

[DensaMensa]

}What a time for Jews to start making trouble with Christians. We need to stick together.

That is certainly the understatement of the thread. A little less leftleaning touchy "ethnic pickiness" would markedly turn down the global temperature IMHO. Actions do have consequences.

[ET(end tyranny)]

this nation, of course, was founded on Christianity. This is a terrible, terrible shame

Was it? Or was it founded on G-d? Our currency says, 'In G-d We Trust.

[auggy]

"I disagree with the Jewish people there. They were intolerant."

.....and I AGREE with you.