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Is Iraq inspired by strategy that caused the greatest defeat in British military history?
1914-1918.net ^ | 2003 | Chris Baker

Posted on 03/27/2003 8:13:56 PM PST by Destro

Is Iraq's strategy inspired by that which caused the greatest defeat in British military history?

Who's Who: Khalil Pasha

Khalil Pasha (1864-1923) was placed at the head of the Turkish Sixth Army during World War One, based in Mesopotamia.

Simultaneously military governor of Baghdad (and all territory south-west of Aleppo), Khalil's policy during the extended Anglo-Indian advance of 1915 appeared simple: he consistently permitted his field commanders to retreat under fire.

Progress was slow however, if sure, on account of heavy rain and an overriding concern to minimise casualties. Additional difficulties were faced by the retreating Turks in fighting off repeated attacks by local Marsh Arabs (the Shi'ites of the South), who attacked both sides at every opportunity.

This approach was reversed at the Battle of Ctesiphon (after an initial withdrawal by the Turks) with a counter-attack launched at the retreating British force under Sir Charles Townshend.

After successfully conducting the conclusion of the siege of Kut, when Townshend finally surrendered unconditionally on 30 April 1916, Khalil was inclined to support a more aggressive policy, proposing a Turkish sweep into Persia.

Considered an honoured guest by his Turkish captors Sir Charles Townshend was treated with lavish hospitality; meanwhile his 10,000 troops were largely subjected to barbaric treatment (including homosexual rape). A remarkable two-thirds of this group died while being marched into captivity.

Mesopotamia

A long, drawn-out campaign in appalling conditions that was initially about protecting British oil interests, but later gave rise to visions of glittering prizes in the capture of Baghdad.

Why here?

Mesopotamia was part of the Turkish Ottoman empire. Germany had for many years before the war assiduously developed Turkey as an ally, which it saw as an important part of the Drang nach Osten (The Thrust towards the East: Germany wanted new lands, new markets, lebensraum). The Turkish army was led by German 'advisors', as was much of its trade and commerce.

Britain relied heavily on Gulf oil to keep its Navy at sea. It determined very quickly on the outbreak of the war with Germany to protect its interests by occupying the oilfields and pipeline near Basra. Later, after an early string of cheap successes, British eyes fell on Baghdad. Victory over the Turks was believed by some to be a less costly way towards defeat of Germany than the painful battering at the Western Front. They began a series of attempts to move north along the rivers to the ancient city. Pushed by Germany - which also tried to encourage a Jihad (Muslim Holy War) against the British forces - Turkey was to strongly resist the British incursion.

What happened?

It was the Indian Army, which included a number of British units (initially of the Regular Army but soon joined by Territorials), that supplied the 'British' fighting forces ordered to Mesopotamia. This army had been under-invested for decades, and it showed in the quality of equipment and in training. Guns, shells, small arms and ammunition - of which there was never enough - were often literally museum pieces or considered not good enough for the Western Front and other areas. The Army command also failed to realise the difficulties of supplying an army that moved further upstream from the Gulf. There were never enough shallow-draught boats, nor enough mules or camels, to adequately supply the fighting forces that were to be up to 500 miles away from port.

Like Gallipoli, conditions in Mesopotamia defy description. Extremes of temperature (120 degrees F was common); arid desert and regular flooding; flies, mosquitoes and other vermin: all led to appalling levels of sickness and death through disease. Under these incredible conditions, units fell short of officers and men, and all too often the reinforcements were half-trained and ill-equipped. Medical arrangements were quite shocking, with wounded men spending up to two weeks on boats before reaching any kind of hospital.

The early successes in the river delta were misleading; more and more troops were sent to the Mesopotamia theatre, for operations towards Baghdad which stretched the supply lines to the limit. There was a serious difference of opinion between London, India and the Commander of the force, regarding the role of the army. The fomer saw it as defensive; the latter two as offensive with a view to capturing Baghad. The campaign was muddled: the attitudes and complacency disastrous. The advance plodded on, until a resounding defeat in November 1915 in front of Ctesiphon led to headlong retreat to Kut-al-Amara. The army in Kut became surrounded and besieged; eventually 9,000 (3,000 British and 6,000 Indian troops) surrendered five months later - the greatest defeat and loss in British military history up to that point.

Following the fall of Kut, the British ordered Major-General Stanley Maude to take command of the British army in Mesopotamia. He introduced new methods, which culminated in a decisive defeat of the Turks in February 1917, and the capture of Baghdad in March 1917. On this day, the Berlin-Baghdad railway was captured, and German schemes for Turkey were finished.

British forces (and Russians, advancing from the north and east) closed in on the Turks throughout the autumn of 1917, and into the Spring of 1918. Despite making great advances, however, and the additional pressure coming from the north-west, where British forces in Palestine defeated the Turks, no decisive victory was gained.

An armistice was signed by the Turks in Mesopotamia on 1st November 1918.

Landscape for battle

Mesopotamia is an ancient land, through which run the great Rivers Tigris and Euphrates. At the southern end, this is a complex river delta. The two rivers meet at Qurna, 40 miles north of Basra, where they come together to form the Shatt-al-Arab, which flows into the Persian Gulf. The land is for the most part desert, and is very flat. The rivers flood the plains to a great extent, when the winter snows in the northern mountains thaw. The small towns and villages that existed along the river banks in 1914 were generally constructed several feet above water level. There is virtually no water in this land, except that from the rivers. There were no roads, so all transport had to be by boat along the rivers. The major centre of population was Baghdad, almost 570 miles upstream from the Gulf.

For centuries before the Great War, this land had been part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Lying along its eastern border was Persia, generally friendly to the British. The Arab Sheiks of Kuwait and Muhammerah also supported Britain; the Arab tribes of coastal Mesopotamia often changed sides.

Today the land where the British forces were active in 1914-1918 lies in Iraq.


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To: Destro
Saddam is only a casual soldier, not a tactician. I don't care what fantasies casue him to run the Iraqi forces the sad way he does. We just need to kill enough of them so that we can disarm the survivors. MHG's 1st Axiom of War: Crush the enemy, then disarm the survivors. There is no #2.
81 posted on 03/27/2003 10:32:57 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Saddam doesn't delegate?
82 posted on 03/27/2003 10:33:54 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: MHGinTN
I hate to use science fiction books as references about something as serious as war, but Saddam reminds me of Jerry Pournelle and S.M. Stirling's Go Tell the Spartans. In the story, the bad guys are retreating before the good guys so fast that the G.G.'s get suspicious. Something fishy is up. Sure enough, the B.G.'s turn out to have chemical weapons and use them. The thing is, though, and this is basically the "moral" of the story: although the B.G.'s have a Surprise Secret Weapon, they do not have the training to deal with adverse circumstances. The G.G.'s, who are better trained, regroup and proceed to kick the crap out of the B.G.'s, who have played their trump card. The hero points out to one of his men that this is proof of the old axiom, "No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy." The B.G.'s, he points out, had undoubtedly heard that saying, but had probably interpreted it to mean that battle plans get slightly warped in battle. The hero points out that the saying is really saying that no battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy, and that victories are won not by Brilliant Strategies but by thorough training. It was a very good point, and I think that Saddam is a lot like the B.G.'s here. He thinks he's come up with a Brilliant Plan to defeat us; but he doesn't realize that we have the training to be prepared for it, whereas his troops do not have the training to seriously take advantage of it.
83 posted on 03/27/2003 10:44:29 PM PST by Wavyhill
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To: SamAdams76
we will not use nukes, period.
84 posted on 03/27/2003 10:44:45 PM PST by FreedomFlyer
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To: Destro
What's the point of your question? He may even be dead and the Ba'athist goons are running the show to hell.
85 posted on 03/27/2003 10:49:57 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MadIvan
Any comments?
86 posted on 03/27/2003 11:33:49 PM PST by Cacique
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To: mikegi
Ok, gotcha. I'm beginning to think that Saddam believes that he really will win. That's probably a good thing because when he realizes that he is doomed to swing from a lamppost, he's going to cut loose the chem/bio weapons on our troops and/or his own people.

If Saddam or his minions decide to unleash chemical weapons on Baghdad, do we have any viable counter-strategies to rescue the people? Are there any types of ordnance that could be set off near the city to create enough wind to disperse gas and limit its effectiveness?

To be sure, if Saddam's minions do gas Baghdad, the liberals will blame Bush et al. for any casualties, even if the U.S. manages some extraordinary operations to save most of the people.

87 posted on 03/27/2003 11:46:39 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: ggekko
The Iraqi harrasment of supply lines may be only a nuisance.....but its a nuisance and not a threat because we are staying off main roads to avoid ambush and using smaller roads where there are clearer lines of sight....
This change of roads is delaying supplies getting to the front....its true that no supply convoys have been destroyed, but Iraqi harrasment is slowing them and delaying needed supplies....that is one reason why the drive on Baghdad has been delayed....
Respectfully, John.
88 posted on 03/28/2003 3:33:57 AM PST by JohnOG ( Dear Saddam....Hope Hell is Hot Enough for you.........)
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To: Destro
I think that goofy mask is cutting off the oxygen to your brain.
89 posted on 03/28/2003 3:38:21 AM PST by wireman
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To: expatpat
Baghdad will not be Stalingrad, but rather BERLIN. Remember that at Stalingrad, there was a fresh Soviet Army ready to pounce upon the Germans after they succeeded in actually taking Stalingrad

There is no possibility of another Army (Iraqi or otherwise) coming to Saddam's aid...

90 posted on 03/28/2003 3:42:32 AM PST by chilepepper (Gnocchi Seuton!)
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To: Destro
Lessee, this would be BEFORE the Australian Light Cavalry crossed the desert BEHIND the enemy and captured his key cities? Much like we are doing?
91 posted on 03/28/2003 4:37:49 AM PST by LS
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To: Destro
Keep believin' it buddy. Every time they "venture out," it's called "targets." Every time they stay put, it's called "targets." When you run out of targets, the game is over.

Oh, and while you are so concerned about our supply lines, have you managed to account for an ENTIRE MARINE EXPEDITIONARY FORCE and thousands of regular infantry and 101st AIRBORNE that have seemingly "fallen off the map?"

Don't know where those are, do you?

Clue: neither does Saddam. But he's about to find out.

92 posted on 03/28/2003 4:41:32 AM PST by LS
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To: Paraclete
Q: What's the last thing going through Saddam's mind?

a 7.62 boat-tail, delivered from 800 yards away...

93 posted on 03/28/2003 6:49:50 AM PST by packrat01
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To: wireman
Just speculation. Posting what I think the Iraqi startegy may be--and how maybe it is based on a historical event.
94 posted on 03/28/2003 7:12:40 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Paraclete
Yes. The only problem is that sniping cuts both ways, and in fact favors the defenders more than the offense.
95 posted on 03/28/2003 8:23:28 AM PST by expatpat
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To: chilepepper; DTA
I should remind you that I am not proposing that it will be like Stalingrad -- I'm speculating on what Sadam might have as his model. I personally am inclined to think we will avoid house-to-house fighting in Baghdad -- I certainly hope we have a smarter approach than that.
96 posted on 03/28/2003 8:28:39 AM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat
IMHO if the Allies can get into the bunkers somehow, its all over. Finding the airducts would do it as well...
97 posted on 03/28/2003 11:12:17 AM PST by chilepepper (Gnocchi Seuton!)
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To: Destro
What a great strategy: withdraw into a compact mass so we don't need to use as many bombs.
98 posted on 03/28/2003 11:19:02 AM PST by js1138
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To: chilepepper
I think the more appropriate comparison could well be that of Leningrad in the early years of WW2. The Germans lay seige to the city for some time (was it a year?)- killing in the process (through hunger and war) over 1 million Russians.

Lets pray that Baghdad just rolls over and gives up. What's the chance of that?
99 posted on 03/28/2003 6:00:31 PM PST by devo
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