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To: DoughtyOne
The anti-Muslim rhetoric gets pretty damn annoying.

Fact: No organized religion is free of atrocities committed by individuals or groups of individuals in the name of said religion.

Fact: Religion does not fly planes, pull triggers, nor throw hand grenades. People do. Cf. "guns do not kill people, people do."
620 posted on 03/22/2003 6:50:41 PM PST by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
But one religion incites people to fly planes, pull triggers and throw hand grenades and tells them they will be rewarded in heaven for doing it. I don't know what is so hard to understand about this.
646 posted on 03/22/2003 6:55:39 PM PST by clintonh8r (It is better to be feared than to be respected.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The anti-Muslim rhetoric gets pretty damn annoying.

Fact: No organized religion is free of atrocities committed by individuals or groups of individuals in the name of said religion.

Fact: Religion does not fly planes, pull triggers, nor throw hand grenades. People do. Cf. "guns do not kill people, people do."

620 posted on 03/22/2003 6:50 PM PST by John Robinson


Well said.

677 posted on 03/22/2003 6:59:38 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: John Robinson
The anti-Muslim rhetoric gets pretty damn annoying.

Especially when you consider that there are about 800 million or more of them and most have never killed anybody.

689 posted on 03/22/2003 7:00:44 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: John Robinson
What are we supposed to do?

We should behave as if Islam is not a threat to our Culture?

I happen to think that it (Islam) is a threat to our American way of life!

701 posted on 03/22/2003 7:03:20 PM PST by Radix
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To: John Robinson
'The anti-Muslim rhetoric gets pretty damn annoying.

Thank you for stating that.

These "lock up all the Muslims" morons will be fought tooth-and-nail by all decent conservatives. They are as much my enemy as the radical Muslims.

716 posted on 03/22/2003 7:05:22 PM PST by CoolGuyVic
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To: John Robinson
Thought I'd repeat for you a post I layed on the ATRW thread:

One can appreciate the Adminstration's stance on distinguishing the faith from the individual radicals. The problem is that the faith itself has failed to divest itself of the radicals. I don't know that the Episcopal or Baptist churches, etc., ever expelled the KKK from their ranks. Nor do I recall there ever being any confusion of them as being one in the same.

American Muslims have assumed the burden of proof for themselves by failing to expell the ideas that lead to the radicalism to which they say they have no connection. They want it both ways: no relation but consistency in theology. They must act, and they have failed to act. Solidarity with like-minded Muslims around the world is one thing; solidarity with any and all Muslims is quite another.

They owe us an apology.
814 posted on 03/22/2003 7:24:01 PM PST by nicollo
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To: John Robinson
All I've said aside, I appreciate entirely your sentiment that much of the anti-muslim attitudes here are exagerated. I guess I'm feeling the guilt of assocation... lol!

There's no sense in blanket condemnation any more than there is in its wholesale defense. I still say that the burden of proof lies on the other side. I've had too many conversations with Muslims who prefer the slash and burn to nuance. You and I can reason between the extremes. I think you will agree with me that the greater apology lies on the side of those who've sided with real evil.

1,085 posted on 03/22/2003 9:54:32 PM PST by nicollo
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To: John Robinson
The anti-Muslim rhetoric gets pretty damn annoying.

Fact: No organized religion is free of atrocities committed by individuals or groups of individuals in the name of said religion.

Fact: Religion does not fly planes, pull triggers, nor throw hand grenades. People do. Cf. "guns do not kill people, people do."


Both your fact are correct. However would that mean that you would also defend a religion such as Christian Identity?
1,244 posted on 03/23/2003 12:54:30 AM PST by Michael2001
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To: John Robinson
The anti-Muslim rhetoric gets pretty damn annoying.

Fact: No organized religion is free of atrocities committed by individuals or groups of individuals in the name of said religion.

Fact: Religion does not fly planes, pull triggers, nor throw hand grenades. People do. Cf. "guns do not kill people, people do."

The last two years have really flushed out some religious bigotry, and IMO all too many have "enjoyed" all this in the same way that KKK members "enjoyed" the LA riots.

Last time I looked, conservatives believed in individual, not collective responsibility.

BTW, those people who are greeting us as liberators aren't exactly Zoroastarians.

-Eric

1,330 posted on 03/23/2003 9:07:12 AM PST by E Rocc (The Basra War Crimes Trial: Nooses suspended over a vat of pig guts.)
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The anti-Muslim rhetoric gets pretty damn annoying.

It's okay now to hate the French.

Only gentlemen may be inconsistent, and there aren't any of those left either.

1,333 posted on 03/23/2003 9:31:55 AM PST by cornelis
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