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Civil War epic shut down by 'PC crowd'?

Posted on 03/22/2003 4:54:16 PM PST by Continental Op

Civil War epic shut down by 'PC crowd'? 'Gods and Generals' a painful disappointment at box office

Posted: March 22, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Art Moore © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

The makers of the Civil War epic "Gods and Generals" believed they had a ready-made audience in people of faith who normally shun Hollywood for its celebration of immorality and ridicule of religion.

"Gods and Generals," released Feb. 21, is writer, producer and director Ron Maxwell's attempt to accurately recount a century-and-a-half-old chapter of American history that has not stopped inflaming discord. One obvious result of Maxwell's passion for historical fidelity is Confederate officers in their "full humanity," whose motivations, speech and actions arise from their devout Christian faith.

Stephen Lang as Gen. Stonewall Jackson and Robert Duvall as Gen. Robert E. Lee

Maxwell believes his "unorthodox" portrayal of the South and of unapologetic Christianity were not palatable to the majority of movie critics, who essentially "suppressed" the film with politically motivated reviews.

After four weekends, the $80 million, Ted Turner-financed film has been a painful disappointment at the box office, struggling now to reach $15 million in revenues.

Maxwell said in an interview with WorldNetDaily that he had expected the "PC," or politically correct, "crowd" to criticize the film, but not to such a deep, "hate-filled" extent.

"I'm not a conspiracy person," he said. "I don't see conspiracies behind everything that happens in life. But I suspect it was a collusion, if not a conspiracy – that people got on the e-mail or the phone and they said, 'Let's shut down this film.'"

Maxwell concludes that the regular moviegoers were turned off by a barrage of "vitriolic" negative reviews and concedes that "we have not been successful in convincing the people who have given up on Hollywood in general, that this is a movie that they would love."

"Look, I've had 30 years in this business," Maxwell said. "I've read a lot of reviews, and some of them are funny and dismissive. But I've never seen an effort [like this] to actually suppress a movie, to scare people away from it."

He pointed to noted critic Roger Ebert as an example, who began his review with "Here is a Civil War movie that Trent Lott might enjoy."

Maxwell said it's obvious that, in Ebert's mind, the name of the Mississippi lawmaker whose impertinent remarks cost him his Senate majority post is "code for racist."

"So that is [Ebert's] message?" asked Maxwell. "If you even consider seeing this film, you're a racist? That's a film review?"

Rotten tomatoes

Warner Brothers' "Gods and Generals" – starring Robert Duvall as Gen. Robert E. Lee and Stephen Lang as Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson – is a prequel to Maxwell's acclaimed 1993 film "Gettysburg."

Lang as Gen. Stonewall Jackson reading Scripture with Kali Rocha as his wife

His latest effort chronicles the two years of war leading up to the decisive Pennsylvania battle, paying close attention to Jackson and the Christian faith that animated his life as a legendary military commander and deeply devoted husband and father.

The website Rottentomatoes.com, which compiles movie reviews, counted 13 "fresh," or favorable, assessments of the film and 127 "rotten" ones.

Maxwell notes that the positive reviews were overwhelmingly enthusiastic, in some cases ranking "Gods and Generals" as one of the best historical films ever.

On the other end of the spectrum, however, were these examples:

"A shameless apologia for the Confederacy as a divinely inspired crusade for faith, home and slave labor." – John Anderson, Newsday

"Boring and bloated, this sanctimonious work will appeal only to warmongers and the religious right." –Boo Allen, Denton (Texas) Record Chronicle

"It's like an old history cyclorama 'brought to life' with a mixture of wax, starch and pulped hymnals." –David Elliott, San Diego Union-Tribune

"From the start Gods has a mighty wind of nostalgia and outright historical mythicizing that doesn't go down easily." –David Hunter, Hollywood Reporter

"A lumpy three-and-a-half-hour glob of Civil War history." – Stephen Holden, New York Times Most film critics have an ideological agenda, says Michael Medved, whose reviews appear weekly on WND.

"I have an ideological agenda as a critic," he said. "The difference is, I acknowledge it."

Medved contends that Ebert's opening line about Lott, and his "politically barbed comments about the ideology of the movie are telling."

"I think it tips the hand of a lot of the people who are giving extremely negative reviews to this film," he said.

"I believe there is a legitimate argument about whether the film is a complete success, and you can argue about whether it's too long, or about whether the narrative lacks momentum," he continued. "Those are legitimate points to make. But for people who are calling this one of the worst movies of the year, it's very obvious that they are allowing their left-wing ideology to trump everything about this film."

Medved gave the movie four out of four stars and believes it will hold out as one of the best films of 2003.

The San Diego Union-Tribune's Elliott told WND he doesn't think he and his colleagues had any ideological axe to grind.

"My review questions the film's merits as a piece of storytelling and simply as a film," he insisted. "I'm sure Maxwell can see critics don't have a big beef about the Civil War – it's been 140-some years, and I actually thought "Gettysburg" was a strong piece of work."

Nobody is against showing the heroism of Confederate soldiers he said, "but it's sad that a major film about Stonewall Jackson should make him into a pious statue."

Elliott said no one could argue that there was a strong Christian culture in that period, noting that President Lincoln's major addresses were full of references to God.

"It would be silly to quarrel with that," he said. "I just felt I was stuck in a church pew trying to watch the stained glass come to life."

Meanwhile, actor-director Mel Gibson believes an effort us underway to suppress his making of a film about the suffering, sacrificial death of Jesus, called "The Passion."

Earlier this month, the New York Times magazine criticized Gibson for his traditional Catholic views and for blaming Jews for the death of Jesus, though the actor subscribes to the orthodox Christian view that everyone is responsible.

Voting on Hollywood

Maxwell said he is certain there is a large audience that identifies with the values expressed in "Gods and Generals" that will enjoy it in "future incarnations" after its run on the silver screen. The DVD will be released this summer, followed by a foreign release, a showing on HBO at the end of the year and on Turners' TNT network six months later. In about two years, a six-hour director's cut will come out.

Lang as Gen. Stonewall Jackson

"I am personally disappointed that the potential audience – that will like this movie enormously when they see it broadcast on TV – didn't take the trouble to go to the movies," said Maxwell.

If you don't buy the tickets, he said, "you are abstaining from voting on what Hollywood does."

Maxwell believes that audience lost a "marvelous opportunity" to make a difference in Hollywood.

"Hollywood executives will look at this and say, You know what works? 'Old School.'"

The newly released film "Old School" is considered a sequel to the frat-house hits "American Pie" and "Animal House."

Maxwell emphasized, however, that "Gods and Generals" is still playing – though it is down from 1553 screens to 750 – and "word of mouth can still turn it around."

For instance, he said, "if 5 percent of the people who drive to church every Sunday went and saw this movie, it would turn it around."

Ted Baehr, chairman of the Christian Film and Television Commission and publisher of Movieguide magazine, said he has tried to get out the word on "Gods and Generals" among Christian leaders, but many say things like, "We've heard it's not a good film," and "It's too long."

But, later, "when they do see it, they are enthusiastic," said Baehr.

"Despite the pleas of many church leaders, it's just not happening," said Maxwell. "You're dealing with ingrained habits; this part of the population does not go to the movies."

But Baehr, who is regularly in touch with church leaders and groups, is convinced that they do go to the movies and are affected by the reviews as much as anyone else.

"We need to be careful about who we listen to," he said. "It should be people who share our beliefs."

Baehr has received a considerable number of e-mails from Christians who say "I won't see any movie paid for by Ted Turner," though Turner gave Maxwell freedom to shape the film as he wished.

Medved said, "We ought to give all credit where credit is due to Ted Turner for his courage and generosity in funding this thing."

How they talked

Maxwell concedes that the length of the film – three hours, 49 minutes, including an intermission – has a "dampening effect" on box office receipts.

Depiction of Battle of Chancellorsville

"But not everything can be two hours," he said. "'Wayne's World' might work at two hours, but this is a huge story of the Civil War. Maybe it's a comment on how civilization in North America has changed – we're not willing to commit time to certain events, but a generation ago, it was not so."

Some criticize the film's dialogue as an endless series of high-minded speeches, rather than genuine human discourse.

Maxwell thinks this response arises because "we've had so many movies that pretend to be historical films where the people are, A., talking like we are talking now, which is totally false, and, B., they're reflecting modern attitudes, which is false."

The dialogue is based on extensive research.

"Now, nobody had tape recorders from that period, but we had clues … the letters, the journals, the reminiscences and the diaries," he said.

"It was a richer, broader vocabulary," Maxwell added, "and it was more of a verbal age, and now we're in a visual age."

Many critics don't have a problem with the movie, he asserted, they have a problem with "those people" portrayed in the film.

"They don't like those people," he said. "They don't like 'em then, and they don't like 'em now."

Paid a price

Ultimately, making money evidently was not Maxwell's primary motivation. To produce "Gettysburg," he had to go through his life savings, sell his house and then go into debt, while rejecting offers for other films that could have been turned around quickly at a profit. To make "Gods and Generals," he agreed to defer 75 percent of his salary as a writer, producer and director, but "clearly there aren't going to be any profits."

Ron Maxwell

"I'm not complaining, these are my choices, but I have paid an enormous financial price," he said.

"But I'm proud of the movies, I'm so glad they are there, and I think they will stand the test of time."

Maxwell said his motivation was to "to tell the story of that generation."

"I felt I was called to tell their story with fidelity," he said. "That's why there is no way in the world am I going to make these kinds of sacrifices and then lie about it and make it politically correct. Then I would have nothing to show at the end of the day, nothing for my time and energy and commitment."

Maxwell said production for the third film in the trilogy, "The Last Full Measure," will be put off indefinitely "because we have too far to go to recoup our investment."

He emphasized, though, that "Gods and Generals" is "out there despite the best efforts of the critics."

"Yes, they hurt us at the box office, no question about it," he said. They absolutely prevented me from seeing another penny from it; they prevented Ted Turner from getting his money back.

"But they were not successful at suppressing the film, because it will find other audiences and other venues over the years, and it will live long after those critics, and me, and you are done."


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1 posted on 03/22/2003 4:54:16 PM PST by Continental Op
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To: Continental Op
Ted Turner-financed film...

Yeah, it's a good film and all, but I'm not going out of my way to subsidize Ted Turner.

2 posted on 03/22/2003 4:55:52 PM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Continental Op
already posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872179/posts
3 posted on 03/22/2003 4:56:31 PM PST by MrFred
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To: Caipirabob
My son and I were going to go, but with an almost 4 hour movie his attention span and my bladder weren't up to it. We ignored the reviews (doesn't everybody?)
4 posted on 03/22/2003 5:00:34 PM PST by JusPasenThru (Eliminate the ninnies and the twits...)
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To: Caipirabob
Yeah, it's a good film and all, but I'm not going out of my way to subsidize Ted Turner.

i was thinking it was pretty cool that he financed it. did i miss something?

5 posted on 03/22/2003 5:04:17 PM PST by foundersfootsteps
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To: Caipirabob
If you don't reward the production and showing of truthful or conservative media, then why should ANYBODY produce it ?

If Ted Turner saw that people were willing to pay for good entertainment instead of crap, maybe he and others would make more good stuff. Demanding others share your ideology before you will do business is very restrictive.

6 posted on 03/22/2003 5:07:51 PM PST by hoosierham
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To: JusPasenThru
I look for Ebert's reviews...If he doesn't like it, it's going to be a good movie...
7 posted on 03/22/2003 5:11:32 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Continental Op
bump
8 posted on 03/22/2003 5:11:36 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: Caipirabob
Maybe its because he portraid it almost accuately.
The PC's hate that
9 posted on 03/22/2003 5:12:02 PM PST by b fair
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To: JusPasenThru
There is an intermission halfway through. The second half is better than the first. Lang is great as Jackson.
10 posted on 03/22/2003 5:12:43 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Continental Op
I absolutely loved the movie. It deeply affected me.

The christian depictions were uncynical and awesome.

11 posted on 03/22/2003 5:16:47 PM PST by what's up
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To: Continental Op
The problem is that this is a crappy movie.

And I say that as a card-holding member of the VRWC.

Way too long. Skips over long periods of Jackson's and Lee's history, then spends huge amounts of time dwelling on minutiae.

Very disappointing.

Also thought it was rather funny that apparently the Army of Northern Virginia was primarily made up of middle-aged, pudgy, clean-shaven men.
12 posted on 03/22/2003 5:16:58 PM PST by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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To: RobbyS
I thought just the opposite. I found the second half boring.

Look, Maxwell rolled the dice and lost on this: he gambled that he could make a "Gone With The Wind" without any real romance (I'm sorry, but the Jackson/wife story and Mira Sorvino/Jeff Daniels don't cut it).

Moreover, while I'm a history freak and liked it, it is not something I would watch several times like Gettysburg because it is, well, "bloated," to quote one of the reviewers.

It was either arrogance or stupidity on Maxwell's part to think that he could refrain from EDITING. Even Thomas Jefferson needed editors for the Dec. of Independence. I hope in "Last Full Measure" he finds an excellent editor, and makes the movie that the third part of this trilogy deserves.

13 posted on 03/22/2003 5:24:20 PM PST by LS
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To: Continental Op
I think this movie killed itself.

My brother and his wife, both are rabid conservatives and he's a Civil War buff, left at intermission. The speechifying and the excruciatingly slow pace of the film outwore their interest in that era.

14 posted on 03/22/2003 5:25:26 PM PST by BfloGuy (The past is like a different country, they do things different there.)
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To: JusPasenThru
We ignored the reviews (doesn't everybody?)

Agreed. Often when critics pan a movie, that's when I figure it's worth seeing.
As an example, LOTR and The Two Towers have gotten very little attention from Hollywood and critics (that I can see), yet they will stand as some of the greatest films ever made (IMHO).
15 posted on 03/22/2003 5:26:43 PM PST by visualops
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To: Restorer
The problem is that this is a crappy movie.

Concur. Only Ted Turner could make the Civil War boring and trivial. I left during the intermission.

The bottom line here is that Turner makes terrible movies.

16 posted on 03/22/2003 5:41:47 PM PST by DakotaGator
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To: Continental Op
My husband and I really enjoyed it and did not get tired watching it at all. My reasons for going were to support a film that was not afraid to show the spiritual side of the people of that generation and to see a historical movie about the Civil War. The fact that it gave a Southern perspective was another plus for me. I can't wait for the next movie in the sequel.
17 posted on 03/22/2003 5:45:19 PM PST by AUsome Joy
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To: JusPasenThru
My son and I were going to go, but with an almost 4 hour movie his attention span and my bladder weren't up to it. We ignored the reviews (doesn't everybody?)

The length kept me away, but the one review I heard that meant something to me was from some Civil War re-enactors, who walked out part way through because they were offended by historical innaccuracy.

Don't ask me what innaccuracy. With re-enactors, it could have been somebody wearing the wrong color sash on his uniform.

18 posted on 03/22/2003 5:49:47 PM PST by irv
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To: foundersfootsteps; Caipirabob
<< Yeah, it's a good film and all, but I'm not going out of my way to subsidize Ted Turner.

i was thinking it was pretty cool that he financed it. did i miss something? >>


This, maybe?

QUOTE:

Michael Medved - Culture Clash

God, generals and Ted Turner

Posted: February 21, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Dear Ted Turner,

At this advanced stage of your long and complicated career you have finally crossed the line ? making a contribution to your country and its culture so unequivocally positive and powerful that every American, regardless of political perspective, owes you a debt of gratitude.

No matter how one feels about your creation of CNN, your donation of a billion dollars to the UN, your marriage to Jane Fonda, your operation of the Atlanta Braves, your divorce from Jane Fonda, your dismissal of Christianity as "a religion for losers," your bison ranching, your yachting, or your fanatical feud with Rupert Murdoch, you have now performed a massive good deed that should provoke universal appreciation.

Not that "Gods and Generals" ? produced due to your singular determination and generosity ? constitutes a perfect film; many commentators, especially among your politically correct pals, will no doubt find fault with it for a portrayal of the War Between the States that aims for truth rather than trendiness. Nevertheless, your personal investment of some $80 million in a project of such audacious ambition has resulted in a major movie miracle. I've been reviewing movies for 23 years now (having started at CNN, in fact) and I've never before sat spellbound for nearly four hours (the film runs more than three hours and 40 minutes, with an intermission) wishing, at the end, that this heroic movie had gone on even longer.

Despite the epic scale of this effort, director-writer Ron Maxwell reached the right decision in making no attempt for comprehensive coverage of the period he illuminates. The movie begins in April, 1861, and concludes 25 months later, making no reference to epic battles like Antietam or the Peninsula Campaign, or to important personalities like McClellan, Winfield Scott, Halleck or Fremont. Even though Maxwell focuses most of his attention on the single fascinating figure of "Stonewall" Jackson, he never portrays that general's most astonishing triumph ? the breathtakingly brilliant Shenandoah Valley Campaign in the Spring of 1862, still studied today as an example of inspired leadership and masterful tactics. Maxwell chooses to concentrate on the general's human qualities rather than his undeniable military genius, and the result is a film that should appeal to women as much as men, to history fanatics as well as those who don't know the difference between Bull Run and Valley Forge.

Stephen Lang plays General Jackson with such startling authority and vitality that if there is any justice at all in Hollywood (a dubious proposition), he will receive a Best Actor Oscar nomination next year. The amazing element in this utterly riveting characterization is its balance and complexity: Lang's Jackson is simultaneously fierce and tender, spiritual and practical, petty and magnanimous, eccentric, implacable and incomparably charismatic. The physical resemblance to the historic Stonewall is uncanny, even eerie ? complete with the blazing blue eyes that led his men to nickname him "Old Blue Light."

Robert Duvall similarly shines as Robert E. Lee, bringing to crackling life the dignity, poetry and ruthless edge of this legendary commander. Duvall takes over the role from Martin Sheen (of all people) who proved adequate but uninspired in Ron Maxwell's previous battlefield spectacular, "Gettysburg" (1993). Sheen's Lee seemed dreamy, almost effete, and much too kindly; Duvall's "Marse Robert" comes across (accurately) as an altogether more formidable customer.

In every way, "Gods and Generals" shows quantum improvements over "Gettysburg" ? reflecting the vastly larger budget which your commitment made possible, Mr. Turner. The false beards and over-fed re-enactors that proved seriously distracting last time have been replaced by impeccable art direction, costumes, make-up and sets. The result, with the sweeping depiction of three crucial battles (First Bull Run, Fredricksburg and Chancellorsville, all filmed on the actual battlefields), ranks with "Alexander Nevsky," the Soviet "War and Peace," and "Saving Private Ryan" in terms of thrilling immediacy. One particularly moving sequence involves Meagher's Irish regiment charging for the Union up Marye's Heights at Fredericksburg, only to run directly into a Confederate Irish regiment, greeting them with recognition, tears, cheers, and deadly, withering fire.

With its emphasis on Jackson, including his moving friendship with a 5-year-old-girl during the Christmas season break in the fighting in 1862, "Gods and Generals" will undoubtedly draw criticism for its sympathetic treatment of the Confederate cause. In fact, Maxwell's four hours of cinema provide a richer understanding of Southern motivation and passions than Ken Burns ever did in his hours and hours of gripping documentary on PBS. Looking down at the town of Fredericksburg, Virginia, just before the battle, Maxwell provides a stunningly effective speech for Robert E. Lee, as he recalls that he met his wife in that very village. "It's something these Yankees do not understand," he says, "will never understand. Rivers, hills, valleys, fields, even towns. To those people they're just markings on a map from the war office in Washington. To us, they're birthplaces and burial grounds, they're battlefields where our ancestors fought. They're places where we learned to walk, to talk, to pray. ?They're the incarnation of all our memories and all that we love."

Maxwell treats his Union characters with less love, even while making clear their moral superiority on the issue of slavery.

Jeff Daniels returns to play Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, the Maine college professor who became one of the major heroes at Gettysburg. Though the events of "Gods and Generals" precede the struggle in "Gettysburg," Jeff Daniels looks unmistakably, distractingly older this time ? showing the passage of 10 years. Maxwell also gives him a big moment before the Federal charge at Fredericksburg in which he recites the timeless words of Julius Caesar to inspire his men. The historical Chamberlain might well have delivered such a speech, but the hammy, lengthy, Latinate, declamation fizzles on screen. The heavy, intrusive and occasionally lumpish musical score by Randy Edelman and John Frizzell works poorly for this sequence, and other key moments in the movie.

Nevertheless, "Gods and Generals" inflames the imagination and inspires the soul ? never more than in its frank, friendly treatment of the deep religiosity of men on both sides. The compassionate re-creation of so many vivid, decent characters never apologizes the paradox that soldiers in both blue and gray remained convinced that they served the Almighty's will in battle; Maxwell allows us to believe that both sides may have been right.

Small moments provide some of the movie's richest gifts: with Jackson and other officers singing "Silent Night" at a Christmas party while Stonewall yearns to see the newborn daughter he has never met; a Rebel and a Yankee walking on stones to the middle of a river, to trade tobacco for coffee and to pass a few peaceful moments; Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain explaining to his distraught wife (superbly played by Mira Sorvino) why he feels compelled to risk his life far from home; Lee declining to visit the wounded, dying Jackson, as if this refusal will force his indispensable lieutenant to a miraculous recovery.

There's also a fine moment, Mr. Turner, when your smiling face appears for a few seconds along with other Confederate officers listening to a spirited rendition of the music hall favorite, "The Bonny Blue Flag."

"We are a band of brothers, and native to the soil," sing these sons of the South, and that sense of regional pride, loyalty to hearth and home, permeates this remarkable and richly rewarding movie.

Even those who have criticized you in the past, Mr. Turner, should recognize that with this film you've raised your own Bonny Blue Flag and challenged other Americans of wealth and influence to follow your example. Focus groups and market studies would have tried to discourage you from investing $80 million in a strikingly intelligent four-hour spectacle that never stoops to score cheap political points or conform to current fashion by showing the Confederates as redneck Nazis, or providing a one-dimensional focus on slavery as the only issue in the war.

Any consumers of pop culture who long for more ambition and substance in American entertainment must rush to see this movie; in fact, to show support for bold new directions in cinema, you should see it several times. If this film succeeds beyond expectations it will send powerful messages to the gatekeepers in show business, encouraging a new emphasis on juicy, accurate historical and, yes, religious content.

This movie, in fact, could amount to a turning of the tide in the ongoing battle to enrich and uplift the culture. If that occurs, we must thank God and two generals: Ron Maxwell, and that unlikely leader for the cause of the angels, Ted Turner. As in any great battle, deliverance can come from an unexpected source.

Thank you, Mr. Turner, and I wish you great success with your courageous effort.

FOUR STARS. Rated PG-13, for some intense battlefield violence.

END QUOTE.
19 posted on 03/22/2003 5:55:24 PM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: LS
Cutting, it needed. The film should have focused on Jackson, which would have meant that the Valley campaign, the Peninsula campaign, and 2nd Bull Run, and Antietam would hsve had to be worked in, requiring much more compression. Also his relations with other commanders. And how does one make a film about the war in Virginia while ignoring Jefferson Davis and Johnston?
20 posted on 03/22/2003 6:00:12 PM PST by RobbyS
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