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Lowdown on the Showdown II
3/17/03

Posted on 03/17/2003 9:14:58 AM PST by GLDNGUN

Following my post last week of the upcoming Azores summit, I have received a few requests for my thoughts on the impending war. I did reply in the Azores Press Conference thread, but that was a very lenghty thread and perhaps missed by more than a few, so I have reposted my reply here in this new thread. As I said last week, the President will be addressing the nation tonight following the Azores Summit. Then, the fireworks begin...


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Here is what I see unfolding, assuming there is no diplomatic breakthrough on Monday and Saddam doesn't suddenly decide to take asylum. I believe Saddam is holding out hope that the UN, led by France, will bail him out. Once he sees that they will not be able to hold the TAA (TransAtlantic Alliance) back is when he will strike out, yes, with a first strike; however, I don't believe the first missiles he lobs will be aimed at us. He knows that if it is simply him against us, he will be wiped out. His strategy, IMHO, will be to start a war between Israel and her Arab neighbors. He will try to accomplish this by lobbing missiles and bombs into Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. He may also send a few into Iran and Kuwait. That, I believe, is his plan. How successful he would be is another story. First, he needs people to pull the triggers, and, secondly, we will certainly do everything we can to prevent any offensive weapons of his from hitting foreign soil.

Why would Saddam use such a strategy and strike out at his Arab neighbors? First of all, he has NO love for any of those neighbors. He fought a decade-long war with Iran, took over Kuwait, and threatened to invade Saudi Arabia. If we had not taken action to kick him out of Kuwait, he would probably inhabit those 3 countries by now, especially if he had developed "the bomb". As we know, he has gassed his own people, so he certainly would have no problem with attacking fellow Arabs, especially ones aiding our efforts here (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan). If he does attack these other countries along with Israel, he would then announce to the world that an American/Israli war on the entire Middle East is under way. He would want the world, especially the Arab world to believe that it is Israel and US that has attacked Jordan and Saudi Arabia. He would want Israel to think that the bombs landing on them are from Jordan and Saudi Arabia. His only hope is utter chaos. Remember the American and British uniforms that Saddam has? He could well put out video of supposed Alliance atrocities against innocent people at the same time he starts the bombing. Obviously, he would be trying to get the world, especially the Arab world to rally together and fight Israel and the Alliance.

Now, of course, with detection equipment it can be shown where these missiles are originating from, but Saddam wants to imflame the people of these other nations into thinking they are under attack from the Alliance and Israel. He would like the people of these other nations to ignore what their "puppet" regimes, and the Alliance/Israel is telling them. If a bomb hits Amman, Jordan, and Saddam announces that "Jordan is under attack from Israel" the Jordanian people may believe him rather than the "official" denials. Again, this is just an opinion, based upon what he has done in the past and what his current actions are, including his troop movements. This is why I say his "first strike" targets will likely NOT be the TAA forces. He would hope that by NOT attacking us directly, he could buy himself a little more time to execute his other strategy, because he knows once he directly attacks us it is over.

It sounds frightening if this truly is his strategy, but I don't see him pulling it off for various reasons. As previously mentioned, he needs people to pull the triggers and drop these bombs. Some may refuse to do so. He also has to hope that he gets past the defensive measures we have taken. I would assume that Jordan and Saudi Arabia are prepared for such a scenario and have taken defensive measures themselves, although it's certainly not out of the question for a missile or 2 to get through. I believe the heaviest loss of American life in Operation Desert Storm was when a missile hit a base in Saudi Arabia. Finally, one of our initial goals is to dismantle or takeover Saddam's ability to communicate with his forces and with the outside world. It is important for us to be able to communicate directly with Iraqi people ASAP, so we are not going to let Saddam's propaganda drag on once the bombs are falling. He may get a few shots off with a first strike strategy, but we will end that ability quickly by eliminating the weapons, his ability to communicate, and by the surrendering of Iraqi troops.

Once the TAA goes on offensive I believe we will indeed see the "shock and awe" we have heard so much about. Expect massive surrendering by the Iraqi troops initially, and more still after a little "S & A". The hope is that after witnessing the utter hopelessness of propping up Saddam, that even his most loyal forces in Baghdad will turn on him, and give him up. If there's much street fighting it could well be a civil conflict between those opposed to Saddam and those trying to protect him. Of course we would love those closest to him to produce his head on a platter before we fire one (more) bullet, but we are prepared to do as much of the work ourselves. While I don't believe Saddam will ever surrender voluntarily or leave Iraq voluntarily, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of his top advisors, even his sons split when things go down, so don't be surprised if everyone we are looking for is not accounted for when the smoke clears and the dust settles. They will be fugitives.

One more aspect of this that I would like to touch is the reaction of the Iraqi people. Believe it or not, I see a lot of similarities between this situation and the Elizabeth Smart abduction. What in the world is to be compared there you ask? Well, think about it. ES was taken by a madman, held against her will, and (likely) abused in most every fashion imaginable. Hasn't Saddam done the exact same thing to his people? ES learned that survival depended upon one thing - obedience to her "master". The Iraqi people know the same thing - disobedience will not be permitted. This was so ingrained into poor ES, that even when questioned by police she tried to deceive them. Does anyone think that in her heart of hearts she really wanted to remain with these people? I don't. I am afraid that she must have been so terrorized, that in her mind, allowing ANYONE to know her secret meant terrible consequences. Her mind was so twisted to this notion that it was hard for her to accept that it could be any other way, even with armed police officers there. It meant she had to reveal the secret that was the only thing to keep her alive for months. It was simply hard for her to let go of that, but once she realized she was safe and she broke down. I know she has a long way to go, but I would bet that she is much happier today than she was a week ago. Here's another anology. Let's say a very cruel dog owner slams the door on his pet everytime it tries to go outside. Obviously, that dog will be conditioned to not go outside. Then one day the man is hauled off and somebody nice invites the dog to come outside and play. Do you think that dog is going to be a little reluctant to do so? Of course, due to conditioning. I think many of the Iraqi people are currently under similar circumstance. Some don't want to admit they have a brutal dictator, because to admit as much in public meant certain punishment. Once they realize that their liberation is at hand, and they no longer have Saddam to fear, I think they will "break down" and accept their new-found freedom with tears of joy. I don't know the exact moment that will happen, but I would think that once it is announced and proven that Saddam is dead, their national nightmare will be over as far as they are concerned.

I encourage everyone to continue praying for the President, his family and advisors, and our brave troops in harm's way. God Bless you all.

1 posted on 03/17/2003 9:14:58 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN
Enjoy your comments..please keep doing so....would like to add additional scenario for your consideration..after the war is over, the US troops will be busy turning up all the WMD in Iraq..and when they find evidence that WMD has been sent to Syria and Iran....well, do you think we're gonna just smile about it, especially since we have all these troops just sitting around.....we might well see regime change in Syria and Iran very soon...
2 posted on 03/17/2003 9:21:13 AM PST by ken5050
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To: GLDNGUN; Neets
Thanks!Being Nosey again here....:-)

How much time will the President give Saddam to get out??

3 posted on 03/17/2003 9:21:22 AM PST by Dog (Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of war!!!!!!)
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To: Dog
I think he will give him 24 hours. He might just leave--or his people might just kill him.
4 posted on 03/17/2003 9:26:47 AM PST by Pushi
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To: GLDNGUN
Good post. I think we'll need the help of the Kurds and other anti-Hussein Iraqis to bridge the gap with the liberated Iraqis.
5 posted on 03/17/2003 9:29:36 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: GLDNGUN; Miss Marple; ohioWfan; rintense; patriciaruth; Common Tator; nicollo
Thanks for some more excellent analysis, GLDNGUN.

Continuing in prayer for our nation, our President, and our military.

6 posted on 03/17/2003 9:35:26 AM PST by kayak (God bless America, land that I love!)
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To: ken5050; GLDNGUN
"we might well see regime change in Syria and Iran very soon..."

For sure Iran will fold but I don't think Syria will.

7 posted on 03/17/2003 9:37:58 AM PST by AGreatPer (Support Our Troops)
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To: GLDNGUN
I can only hope your theory as to Saddam's strategy is way off base; if you're correct, this may get WAY more interesting than we'd like. ;^)
8 posted on 03/17/2003 9:40:35 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Dog
How much time will the President give Saddam to get out??

I figured that would be the next question. ;-) It's not like I've seen the President's rough draft of his speech tonight, but from what I hear there likely won't be a firm deadline given, other than to give the impression that action is emminent. There are several reasons to not give a specific deadline. First, it will preserve some element of surprise. It will also create uncertainty with Saddam and his advisors. Do they have 2 minutes, 2 hours, or 2 days before the attack begins??? If they have some elaborate strategy that they want to implement, say, 12 hours prior to a deadline, they won't know if they should wait, or if it's already too late. Finally, let's not forget that this IS part of the War on Terrorism. If Saddam's agents and operatives of other terrorist groups are coordinating some sort of action against us here in the US and elsewhere in the world, they may use a US deadline as a time cue of their own. They may have agreed to unleash their terror, say, 3 hours prior to a deadline, all at once. While, the lack of a deadline may not prevent terror attacks all together, it could well blunt the effects. Perhaps some, seeing the lack of success of the others, and the futility of it all, will stand down to live another day.

God Bless the USA!

9 posted on 03/17/2003 9:45:41 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN; ken5050
May I ask another question......will the terror threat level be raised in the country??
10 posted on 03/17/2003 9:49:32 AM PST by Dog (Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of war!!!!!!)
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To: GLDNGUN
My memory might not be accurate in this, but I think I recall that we commenced bombing before Bush the elder gave his speech. Anyone else recall?

11 posted on 03/17/2003 10:17:22 AM PST by MizSterious ("The truth takes only seconds to tell."--Jack Straw)
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To: MizSterious
My memory might not be accurate in this, but I think I recall that we commenced bombing before Bush the elder gave his speech. Anyone else recall?

Yes, true. A deadline had been set long in advance of that deadline, which is obviously not the situation here. Saddam took and held hostages in that case, which is another reason to not give Saddam a firm deadline here. It might make him even more desperate. Everyone needs to be out (diplomats, inspectors, etc.) before any firm deadline is given.

12 posted on 03/17/2003 11:10:18 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Dog
will the terror threat level be raised in the country??

It very well could be after the President's speech tonight.

13 posted on 03/17/2003 11:19:48 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: kayak; GLDNGUN; Dog
Sorry I missed the other thread, Kayak. Thanks for your insistent ping. I appreciate it.

Saddam's a rat in a corner for whom there is no bad strategy. There's no good one, either. He'll definitely strike at Isreal, and it could well be the first overt move of the war. If he waits, it will be too late. There are likely standing orders to scud operators, etc., to fire at will once the attack starts. Once it starts, we will crush whatever offensive capability we know he has the first night. I'd also expect scuds to mysteriously self-destruct before our bombs fall. Nevetheless, we cannot get everything he has. But we can get most of it and his ability to coordinate it.

Isreal has announced its intentions to defend itself. That does not mean she will await an attack. Isreali troops, no, but certainly Isreali operatives working with our folks. Isreal's best defense -- and offense, is information given to the U.S.

As to his attacking neighboring Arab states, I doubt it. Where our troops are stationed, he'll try. I doubt that's a first step, though. I'd bet that Saddam thinks he can hole up long enough and keep enough capabability to make us and others bleed. I don't think he will be able to. We cannot risk it, so our every effort must be towards immediate and complete destruction.

My guess: no delay. We're going at next dark Baghdad time. Saddam's not even gonna get 24 hours to get out of Dodge. It's sunset, baby.
14 posted on 03/17/2003 12:12:05 PM PST by nicollo
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To: GLDNGUN
One other scenario that causes me concern....

In regard to the reports of Saddam having US and British Uniforms.

If Saddam wanted to perpetrate the conditioning....he may just have his US and Brit uniformed soldiers "openly" kill his own people, thereby dashing their hopes again, and potentially creating a mob type situation, when the "real" good guys show up.

I hope we are developing a plan to let the people of Iraq know how to spot these "counterfeits".
15 posted on 03/17/2003 12:49:26 PM PST by crusher999
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To: GLDNGUN
will the terror threat level be raised in the country??

It very well could be after the President's speech tonight.

Don't say I didn't warn you. ;-) - NBC News: US WILL Go Code Orange Tonight; Based on Specific Al-Qaeda Information

16 posted on 03/17/2003 4:42:55 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: MizSterious
Yes, Miz (and howdy, stranger!). Bombing started late afternoon, and 41 came on about 5 or 6 pm, PST. I remember, as I was sitting at my cubicle (I work for the Navy), and my office neighbor said my name. That was all she had to say, in the tone she said it. You see, my husband was a Navy Corpsman (now retired) stationed in Kuwait with the Marines.

But I digress. God Bless our President and our fighting men and women. Let's get it over with so they can come home safely to their families.

17 posted on 03/17/2003 4:51:41 PM PST by Mrs.Liberty
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To: GLDNGUN
I think it is almost certain that Saddam will try and hit Israel with chemical warheads. I don't think he will attack any other country.

Another thing I think he will try and do, is lob chemical warheads into the desert south and east of Baghdad to hinder our troops ability to close on the capital.

He probably hopes that we mass our troops around Baghdad (before he dies) and he will try and lob a few chemical warheads their way.
18 posted on 03/17/2003 5:59:14 PM PST by LeGrande
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To: kayak; GLDNGUN; Dog
In no. 14 I said we'd be going at it by next nightfall Baghdad. The President has given them 48 hours. We cannot therefore expect that the President will give them any more than 48 hours.

But, Saddam might yet trigger it by my time table, especially if GLDNGUN is correct. I see this as most likely, as the longer Saddam waits the larger the chance of defections against him. His only option now is to precipitate the war sooner rather than later.
19 posted on 03/17/2003 7:02:15 PM PST by nicollo
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To: GLDNGUN
I found your new thread by searching for the old one.

If you start a ping list will you please put me on it. Thanks.

About the Iraqi people surrendering to our side. I bet they want to make absolutly positive that they will be safe from retalliation. I know I would if it was my family.
20 posted on 03/18/2003 12:06:29 AM PST by oceanperch (Support Our Troops)
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