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150 acres of dreams dashed: Buyer now sought for super-collider site
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 15, 2003 | Jim Henderson

Posted on 03/15/2003 10:48:51 PM PST by ItsJeff

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To: RadioAstronomer

Stop trying to get us all depressed.


61 posted on 02/07/2005 12:25:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Stop trying to get us all depressed.

he sounds suspiciously like "Marvin" (?), the robot in "Hitchiker's Guide to the Universe."

62 posted on 02/07/2005 12:44:14 PM PST by longshadow
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To: ItsJeff
little more than provide permanent employment for hundreds of high-energy particle physicists

Instead they are working in Europe. This is a public sector crime.

63 posted on 02/07/2005 12:47:10 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Fractal Trader
a sheer act of arrogance by the particle physics community

Some questions won't be answered for decades that could have been answered quickly. Is it worth our public effort to understand the world as best we can? Now others are filling the gap, delayed, and it is not American facilities. We are not competing well among nations, not up to the level we need to sustain dominant preeminence.

64 posted on 02/07/2005 12:50:46 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: HHFi

Sounds like Waxahachie will continue to be a beautiful, nice place to live.

At least until the next bright idea comes along.


65 posted on 02/07/2005 12:55:01 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: RadioAstronomer
Just waiting for the gyros to die.

I know the feeling: I ate a sandwich at a Greek Pizza & Sub shop, my stomach was upset for a week....

:-)

66 posted on 02/07/2005 12:55:37 PM PST by longshadow
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To: butter pecan fan

Macaroni?


67 posted on 02/07/2005 12:58:31 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Physicist

Explaining high energy particle physics to politicians must be like trying to teach, well, high energy particle physics to pigs.

I would explode from frustration.


68 posted on 02/07/2005 1:16:21 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Physicist

yeah, that $40 billion dollar International Space Station sure was a winner, wasn't it? ><

Much better than knowing where the universe came from, or having a moon base, or other unimportant stuff like that.


69 posted on 02/07/2005 1:17:39 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: merak

Lol, look who got the zot. :P


70 posted on 02/07/2005 1:19:42 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: animoveritas; Physicist
Not to mention that the SNS is mainly conerned with beams of neutrons. :P
71 posted on 02/07/2005 1:25:41 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: wideminded
One thing that made me feel the right decision had been made was after the cancellation when I heard some physicists on the radio whining about how they had thought the people of this country wanted a SSC, how they had already taken their kids out of the schools they had been attending, etc.

I was all for it when I was younger. A shame it was canceled.

72 posted on 02/07/2005 5:07:07 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: animoveritas

That is what keeps science interesting. Ansering the questions. If it creates more questions and answers then that means we continue investing in projects like the supercollider and motivates people to get more interested in the science. Using your logic, perhaps we should not have gone to the moon because it is a inanimate body in Earth's orbit.


73 posted on 02/07/2005 5:12:22 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: kittymyrib
Who remembers "Operation Mole Hole", another taxpayer-funded waste of money by the ivory-tower scientific community?

I think you mean Project Mohole. I remember hearing about it in school.

Finding out what is deep within the Earth doesn't seem like the stupidest project to undertake, depending on the total cost. For instance the Russians have drilled the world's deepest hole and found valuable concentrations of minerals at great depths. As with all fundamental research, private enterprise doesn't usually show much interest until government funded research has blazed the trail and made clear where money might be made.

74 posted on 02/07/2005 6:12:20 PM PST by wideminded
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To: ItsJeff

I was thinking an 18-mile long tunnel would be a great all-weather training facility for marathon runners.


75 posted on 02/07/2005 6:16:53 PM PST by SamAdams76 (What If The Flintstones Had iPods?)
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To: ItsJeff
You obviously haven't heard...

Home Depot has purchased the Super Collider site to chop up and sell as fence post holes...

76 posted on 02/07/2005 6:25:56 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ijcr

Strange and unusual circular underground restaurant. Call it The Circle, The Roundabout, Circa, etc. Fix it where the floor gradually goes round and round and call it The Carousel. Jet setters with private jets could fly in for very expensive dinners. It could be so expensive that people like me couldn't dine there, but we could work there. Dining, dancing in one of the buildings with entertainment venues. Imaginative lighting. Help me here . . .

A spa? Ideas on how to do a spa? An exclusive spa? Is there much water around? An airport nearby?

We live near a dam project that was supposed to be done about twenty years ago. The "endangered" pearly mussell or some such thing got in the way. They spent, I think, about $8,000,000.00 on the dam, scrapped that project, demolished the dam (which looked pretty far along), and now we don't live on a potential lake and aren't too sad about the lack of speedboats, jetskis and strange fishermen on our property to access the "lake". Now, we are close to the river on a hill overlooking it fairly closely. It just flabbergasts me how the government can be allowed to spend so much money and then just flush it all down the potty. It makes me think what taxes I pay are just an insignificant drop in the bucket. Hah! . . and the ironic thing in this dam business is that plenty of pearly mussells were found later in another area.


77 posted on 02/07/2005 6:34:52 PM PST by Twinkie (No One Reads Taglines! If you read this, you are special!)
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To: ijcr

Depends on which direction it bends!


78 posted on 02/07/2005 6:47:34 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Pass Tort Reform Now! Make the bottom clean for the catfish!)
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To: Paul_Denton
Well of course we went to the moon looking for green cheese and other easily recoverable resources...

My point is that science has to compete in today's world by delivering useful results. Gone are the days where government trucks dumped money at the door to some dimly lit lair of theoretical physicists. Physicists need to understand that to pursue Grand Unification, they must also devote a few hours on multidisciplinary teams that solve contemporary problems.

As previous, I think the US was right to pursue the SNS and become the leader in neutron science over supercolliders and particle physics.

Where I think the US went astray was investing in NIF and letting ITER go probably to Asia. If anyone should be the lead in fusion research it should be us. We have the most to gain.

79 posted on 02/08/2005 5:11:51 AM PST by animoveritas (Dispersit superbos mente cordis sui.)
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To: animoveritas
As previous, I think the US was right to pursue the SNS and become the leader in neutron science over supercolliders and particle physics.

A better investment in neutron science would have been the original ANS design. We were ready to go with that until (Hillary) Clinton found out that it was a reactor (horrors!). So they switched to a more politically-correct accelerator source. As someone who has done neutron scattering work, it is my opinion that a steady-state, intense neutron source has it all over a pulsed source. Not to mention usable flux. Once you get 10 cm or so away from the target, the flux is down a factor of 1000. Not good when you're taking diffractograms that are on the order of hours of data collection time already.

Where I think the US went astray was investing in NIF and letting ITER go probably to Asia. If anyone should be the lead in fusion research it should be us. We have the most to gain.

The most promising one we killed (Clinton again) was the Integral Fast Reactor that was being developed at Idaho National Lab. That would have had immediate payoff, as well as developing a whole slew of related technologies (i.e., fuel reprocessing, actinide recycle, etc.). But, again, once Hillary got wind that it was a reactor concept that might actually benefit the nuclear industry, it was outta there faster than $h*t through a goose...

80 posted on 02/08/2005 6:13:19 AM PST by chimera
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