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Law Professor urges UN to invade USA? Could U.N. use military force on U.S.?
www.worldnetdaily.com ^ | march 15,2003 | Art Moore

Posted on 03/15/2003 10:46:05 AM PST by longtermmemmory

By Art Moore © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

United Nations headquarters in New York

Some anti-war groups are urging the world body to invoke a little-known convention that allows the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council is at an impasse in the face of a "threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression."

The willingness by the U.S. and Britain to go to war with Iraq without Security Council authorization is the kind of threat the U.N. had in mind when it passed Resolution 377 in 1950, said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human-rights group in New York City.

In a position paper, Ratner wrote that by invoking the resolution, called "Uniting for Peace," the "General Assembly can meet within 24 hours to consider such a matter, and can recommend collective measures to U.N. members including the use of armed forces to 'maintain or restore international peace and security.'"

The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.?

"It would be very difficult to say what that means," said Ratner in an interview with WorldNetDaily, emphasizing that he did not believe the situation would evolve to that "extreme."

"I don't consider that within the framework I'm talking about," he said.

Shonna Carter, a publicist for Ratner's group, said she believed it would be legitimate for the U.N. to use military force to stop "U.S. aggression."

"But I doubt it would happen," she said. "I don't think that as part of Uniting for Peace they would include military action, but that would have to be something those countries agreed on. …"

Steve Sawyer, spokesman for Greenpeace in New Zealand – which has joined Ratner's group in the campaign – told WND he was not aware of the U.N. being able to use force under any circumstances.

Ratner explained that Resolution 377 would enable the General Assembly to declare that the U.S. cannot take military action against Iraq without the explicit authority of the Security Council. The assembly also could mandate that the inspection regime be allowed to "complete its work."

"It seems unlikely that the United States and Britain would ignore such a measure," Ratner said in his paper. "A vote by the majority of countries in the world, particularly if it were almost unanimous, would make the unilateral rush to war more difficult."

Uniting for Peace can be invoked either by seven members of the Security Council or by a majority of the members of the General Assembly, he said.

'Ways to make U.N. more important'

Ratner, who also teaches at the Columbia University Law School, told WND that the idea of invoking the resolution "came up when I started thinking about the fact that we could get into a situation where the U.S. may go to war without a Security Council resolution or with a veto."

He had two of his students at the law school research the resolution and now has sent out the word to every U.N. mission in New York.

In addition, about 12 missions a day are being visited by campaigners, he said, and the response has been generally very positive.

He expects there to be support from the 116 countries in the non-aligned movement, who are "already saying inspectors should be given more time."

Greenpeace's involvement has greatly expanded the campaign's reach, he said, since "we're just a small human-rights litigation organization."

"I've done a lot of work with international law and with the U.N.," he said, "and we're always interested in figuring out ways to make the U.N. more important."

Sedition?

A circular e-mail letter promoting the campaign said in the first paragraph that "if Iraq is invaded, it would empower the General Assembly to restore peace, including an authorization to use military action to accomplish this, if necessary."

The letter includes Ratner's name and e-mail address as a contact, but he says he did not send out that particular version, which included the line about the U.N. using military action.

A political science professor at the University of Michigan who forwarded the letter to colleagues, added a note above the text, obtained by WND, that said: "Below you will find an excellent and urgently needed proposal for stopping the war before it starts from the Center for Constitutional Rights. …"

"Please make this major peace action a high priority and forward this message to others," said Susan Wright, who indicated she is with the university's Institute for Research on Women and Gender.

Is Wright essentially urging foreign countries to be willing to take military action against her own country?

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily sedition," said Ratner. "Advocacy is one thing, having the means to carry it out is another. It's not something I would ever recommend."

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Art Moore is a news editor with WorldNetDaily.com.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americantraitors; bush; counsel; international; invasion; iraq; kofi; law; nations; security; un; united; war
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To: scouse
Yes, he's her brother......

Already posted on the earlier thread....

NeverGore
61 posted on 03/15/2003 11:49:03 AM PST by nevergore (Stupid is as stupid does....)
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To: longtermmemmory
Bring the Sonovabitches on. It will save us the expense of having to drag the terrorists of the world out from under rocks. We can just kill them all at one time and then go have a few good ole American beers.

62 posted on 03/15/2003 11:53:05 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (."No wonder the French whine-ever taste their wine?.")
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To: longtermmemmory
I hope the idiots in the UN issue a command to use force against the United States, and once they do it, that we tell every New Yorker that the authorities will be busy elsewhere, and far away from the UN building for several hours.
63 posted on 03/15/2003 11:53:49 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Reoublican)
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To: Carry_Okie
How about we are both correct re the dangers!

Good nailing these bastards for us!
64 posted on 03/15/2003 11:53:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: EveningStar
"Mr.Rosenberg has left the stall, Mr. Ratner, and it is now free for your use."
65 posted on 03/15/2003 11:54:35 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: longtermmemmory
Could the UN invade the US? No. It's physically impossible. They make Canada look like a military superpower. The UN has a bunch of people who signed up as peacekeepers and would probably never fight anyway, and almost no weapons besides the guns they give the blue-helmets mainly for self-protection. And, of course, they have no way to get any troops across the oceans anyway, etc.

Even if those logistical problems didn't exist, we'd still roll right over them as if it were Gulf War I, and eliminate the UN from the face of the earth entirely. NYC headquarters? Either bombed by US forces or condemned by Bloomberg, with the entire staff being either immediately deported or shot on sight. UN in Geneva? Bombed.

But here's the amusing kicker: This moron doesn't seem to have remembered that UN RESOLUTIONS CARRY NO MEANING. If little pissant Iraq can ignore 17 of them in a row, does he really think the US is going to do anything more than laugh directly in its face? (And kick them out of the country once and for all?)

66 posted on 03/15/2003 11:57:43 AM PST by Timesink ("Timesink! Ah-Ahhhh! Failure of the Universe!" -- Queen, 1980)
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To: longtermmemmory

BRING IT ON!

67 posted on 03/15/2003 11:58:44 AM PST by Militiaman7
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To: Timesink
"This moron doesn't seem to have remembered that UN RESOLUTIONS CARRY NO MEANING. If little pissant Iraq can ignore 17 of them in a row, does he really think the US is going to do anything more than laugh directly in its face? "

These law school refugees do believe the UN has meaning. They believe international law is more than just a fairy tail. Why? Because their socialist/communist fantasy take over of the USA is reinforce by UN supremacy of the USA. Its HAS to be that way for left/socialist/communist ideals to take over the USA.
68 posted on 03/15/2003 12:01:37 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
Just remember to keep all your shots in the black.... I mean the Blue
69 posted on 03/15/2003 12:01:52 PM PST by Panzerfaust
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To: All
Some time ago I posted this, but now it fits the situation even better:

"It's been three weeks now since the UN's ground forces began their invasion of America. The Chinese and Russian troops got here using commercial airliners - landing in Canada and Mexico after we shot down the ones that tried to land in the US. So far, I've had several scouting attempts here at my place since I'm on the edge of civilization in Washington.

Scanning the edge of the clearing near my house with my PVS-7s, I checked the clackers for the Claymores - making sure that the circuits are still good and that I have them in order. Then I see them. A full squad of Russian infantry. At first I'm shocked, but then I start to chuckle to myself. The idiots are evidently looking for that last group of scouts that I bagged last night. Oh well - just a few more meters and they'll meet the same fate.

Yup. Typical Russians - they're in the same spot even. I reach for the clacker, and set off the Claymores in that sector. The couple that survived that blast are now laying there screaming in pain. I guess I'll finish my coffee and go double tap them. Plus I can use their ammo. I hope that this squad had their RPG as well.

Carefully I work my way to them in case they were the advance of the platoon - but no others in sight as I near the two privates. They're young. Oh well. In order to save the ammo, I fix my bayonnet and go about my business.

Tell Koffi to send some more - they too will learn why it is that America is the land of the free."

70 posted on 03/15/2003 12:03:20 PM PST by 11B3 (.308 holes make invisible souls. Belt fed liberal eraser.)
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To: TommyDale
I will say this much: If it ever happens, the blue helmets will experience quite a showing of private arms in one of the biggest guerrilla warfares ever.

As much as I'd love to see private American citizens get a chance to rise up and start playing whack-a-mole with the blue helmets, it'll never happen. A couple of Coast Guard canoes and some BB guns could sink the arriving UN "peacekeepers" before they got anywhere near US soil.

71 posted on 03/15/2003 12:03:43 PM PST by Timesink ("Timesink! Ah-Ahhhh! Failure of the Universe!" -- Queen, 1980)
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To: longtermmemmory
reason for a pre-emptive strike?
koz.
72 posted on 03/15/2003 12:04:56 PM PST by KOZ.
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To: e_engineer
Hahahha,,,that is funny!!
73 posted on 03/15/2003 12:06:22 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: longtermmemmory
What Army would they use? French? Mozambique?

Private US citizens could take on the UN "army"...leaving the US military to more important things. Like payback.

How these "professors" keep their jobs in a post 9/11 world is beyond me.

74 posted on 03/15/2003 12:06:51 PM PST by hattend
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To: TommyDale
Hell, I say we offer them a great deal. We wont even use our military against them and we will give them a beach head in New York and Berkley California to boot. They will never make it into Nevada or past Maryland.......lol.
75 posted on 03/15/2003 12:06:59 PM PST by Husker24
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To: longtermmemmory
UN sanctioned military action can only happen with the approval of the UN Security Council. I seriously hope that the United States would veto such an action. If not, that could be pretty funny.

"And the USA has voted YES to allow the UN to invade the USA!"

Then there's the tens of millions of armed Americans nationwide...

76 posted on 03/15/2003 12:08:27 PM PST by xrp
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To: cajungirl
Oh, I do hope they invade via the Gulf of Mexico right into Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas. It would be a beautiful sight to behold. The citizens would gather on the shore to watch the battle. We would have fried chicken, gumbo and barbecue and dance the nite away as the battle would be over quickly, maybe in minutes. and I might bring my curling iron along as a weapon.
77 posted on 03/15/2003 12:08:40 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: longtermmemmory
I am appalled that some elitist pig like Michael Ratner would piss on the very country and people who made it possible for him to aqcuire a law degree and all the material benefits arising out of the inflated wages these such a degree commands.

I know people who know him--he's purported to be a narcissistic jackass--and obviously trying to garner some publicity for himself. Better to ignore these types.

On the other hand, I hope this backfired on him--what if it were HIS offices or home that were blitzed out by a bomb or two?

risa
78 posted on 03/15/2003 12:09:25 PM PST by Risa
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To: longtermmemmory
This only makes it more certain the USA will act sooner rather than later. A general assembly vote will not happen because the other members do not want to be exposed for the naked emperors that they are.



I love the naked emperor story...ssssooo TRUE!! lol
79 posted on 03/15/2003 12:09:37 PM PST by BriarBey
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To: elbucko
Dang...where is my double barreled rolling pin!!
80 posted on 03/15/2003 12:11:51 PM PST by BriarBey
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