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U.N. military action against Britain, U.S.?
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 15, 2003 | Art Moore

Posted on 03/14/2003 11:14:12 PM PST by FairOpinion

Americans urge invoking obscure convention to halt 'aggression'

Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

Some anti-war groups are urging the world body to invoke a little-known convention that allows the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council is at an impasse in the face of a "threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression."

The willingness by the U.S. and Britain to go to war with Iraq without Security Council authorization is the kind of threat the U.N. had in mind when it passed Resolution 377 in 1950, said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human-rights group in New York City.

In a position paper, Ratner wrote that by invoking the resolution, called "Uniting for Peace," the "General Assembly can meet within 24 hours to consider such a matter, and can recommend collective measures to U.N. members including the use of armed forces to 'maintain or restore international peace and security.'"

The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.?

"It would be very difficult to say what that means," said Ratner in an interview with WorldNetDaily, emphasizing that he did not believe the situation would evolve to that "extreme."

"I don't consider that within the framework I'm talking about," he said.

Shonna Carter, a publicist for Ratner's group, said she believed it would be legitimate for the U.N. to use military force to stop "U.S. aggression."

"But I doubt it would happen," she said. "I don't think that as part of Uniting for Peace they would include military action, but that would have to be something those countries agreed on. …"

Steve Sawyer, spokesman for Greenpeace in New Zealand – which has joined Ratner's group in the campaign – told WND he was not aware of the U.N. being able to use force under any circumstances.

Ratner explained that Resolution 377 would enable the General Assembly to declare that the U.S. cannot take military action against Iraq without the explicit authority of the Security Council. The assembly also could mandate that the inspection regime be allowed to "complete its work."

"It seems unlikely that the United States and Britain would ignore such a measure," Ratner said in his paper. "A vote by the majority of countries in the world, particularly if it were almost unanimous, would make the unilateral rush to war more difficult."

Uniting for Peace can be invoked either by seven members of the Security Council or by a majority of the members of the General Assembly, he said.

'Ways to make U.N. more important'

Ratner, who also teaches at the Columbia University Law School, told WND that the idea of invoking the resolution "came up when I started thinking about the fact that we could get into a situation where the U.S. may go to war without a Security Council resolution or with a veto."

He had two of his students at the law school research the resolution and now has sent out the word to every U.N. mission in New York.

In addition, about 12 missions a day are being visited by campaigners, he said, and the response has been generally very positive.

He expects there to be support from the 116 countries in the non-aligned movement, who are "already saying inspectors should be given more time."

Greenpeace's involvement has greatly expanded the campaign's reach, he said, since "we're just a small human-rights litigation organization."

"I've done a lot of work with international law and with the U.N.," he said, "and we're always interested in figuring out ways to make the U.N. more important."

Sedition?

A circular e-mail letter promoting the campaign said in the first paragraph that "if Iraq is invaded, it would empower the General Assembly to restore peace, including an authorization to use military action to accomplish this, if necessary."

The letter includes Ratner's name and e-mail address as a contact, but he says he did not send out that particular version, which included the line about the U.N. using military action.

A political science professor at the University of Michigan who forwarded the letter to colleagues, added a note above the text, obtained by WND, that said: "Below you will find an excellent and urgently needed proposal for stopping the war before it starts from the Center for Constitutional Rights. …"

"Please make this major peace action a high priority and forward this message to others," said Susan Wright, who indicated she is with the university's Institute for Research on Women and Gender.

Is Wright essentially urging foreign countries to be willing to take military action against her own country?

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily sedition," said Ratner. "Advocacy is one thing, having the means to carry it out is another. It's not something I would ever recommend."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiwar; ratner; sedition; unitednations
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To: A CA Guy
Oh yeah, the great UN air-force without us would be helium balloons and a hand cranked propeller for propulsion!

They would have France's aircraft carrier with a deck that was too short to have planes actually take off. With that they would be invincible. No match for the US or Brits.

21 posted on 03/14/2003 11:33:41 PM PST by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: FairOpinion
Someone forgot that if the UN goes mad, that the US has a veto too. This thing is so nutso, one really doesn't know where to begin.
22 posted on 03/14/2003 11:38:29 PM PST by Torie
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To: FairOpinion
We should send this to Hannity, Rush and OReilly... I bet it would make for some lovely air-time :-)
23 posted on 03/14/2003 11:41:13 PM PST by Tamzee ("Sabotage".... a French word....)
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To: FairOpinion
If they threw one of those blue helmets at you it could leave a nasty bump.
24 posted on 03/14/2003 11:43:40 PM PST by Mentos
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To: Torie
Someone forgot that if the UN goes mad, that the US has a veto too. This thing is so nutso, one really doesn't know where to begin.

You haven't been paying attention to the news this week. Apparently, the only country that has veto power in the UN is France. /sarcasm

France kind of reminds me a bit of Jan Brady. Never the prettiest Brady. Marsha was smarter, prettier, more popular, had more friends, etc., but Jan certainly thought in her mind that she was the best. Maybe ChiraQ should take some time to look in the mirror.

This left-wing hippie crackpot scheme still has me cracking up 15 minutes after I first read it.

25 posted on 03/14/2003 11:45:05 PM PST by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: Torie
Aren't you afraid of "vicious" Cameroon attacking us? LOL
26 posted on 03/14/2003 11:45:45 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: tiki
LOL you beat me to that one. My reply exactly
27 posted on 03/14/2003 11:46:50 PM PST by way-right-of-center (I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.-- Will Rogers)
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To: SevenDaysInMay
"Remember that we control neither the Suez nor the Panama canal."
----

Maybe it's time to retake them. Another damaging action by Carter: giving away the Panama Canal.

Some of these Democrat presidents did more damage to the US, than any enemy ever could.
28 posted on 03/14/2003 11:48:17 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
Don't forget about the screw that keeps falling off of the french carrier. it can only sail in circles now.
29 posted on 03/14/2003 11:50:00 PM PST by way-right-of-center (I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.-- Will Rogers)
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To: Mentos
Nothing says "camoflage" like a baby blue helmet. Great for hiding out in fabric shops, Macy's, Lowe's, and numerous other places the UN will try to invade.
30 posted on 03/14/2003 11:53:15 PM PST by way-right-of-center (I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.-- Will Rogers)
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To: FairOpinion
Since the U.S. military is the military of choice for the UN, just whose military would the UN use to stop us? French military or maybe Belgium's?
31 posted on 03/14/2003 11:54:44 PM PST by EastCoast (The League of Nations is dead. It's time to bury it!)
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To: EastCoast
"just whose military would the UN use to stop us?"


Cameroon.

Aren't you trembling? ;)
32 posted on 03/14/2003 11:56:29 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
This is active sedition and treason. They should be arrested, have their citizenship stripped, and be sent to Gitmo. Forever.
33 posted on 03/14/2003 11:57:07 PM PST by MigrantOkie
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To: FairOpinion
Thank you for the most preposterous, hilarious, therapeutic posting I've ever seen on FR. The UN taking military action against the US! I'm rolling on the floor. My little girl could kick all of the blue helmets' @sses with one hand tied behind her back.

It's even funnier when you come to think that even more outrageous than the premise, is the lefties' belief that we would even care. I'm shaking. Literally shaking. With laughter.

Ah, me. Hehehehehehe. "Oh brave new world, that has such people in it!" Hahahahaha.

34 posted on 03/14/2003 11:57:32 PM PST by FredZarguna
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To: FairOpinion
I know.. Canada.... just like on South Park the Movie.... Saddam was in that one too.
35 posted on 03/14/2003 11:58:02 PM PST by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: EastCoast
Well, french is the official language of the UN, so maybe they have the official military too. Which would explain a great deal if you think about it. Actually, I hope it is france, AND I hope they attack. please please please let it be france
36 posted on 03/14/2003 11:58:41 PM PST by way-right-of-center (I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.-- Will Rogers)
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To: bybybill
"The French, of course,will lead the battle from the rear, for obvious reasons."

But how will we see their white flags from all the way back there?

I can see it now:

"We have just passed a resolution to attack the US! Someone call them and tell them to start bombing themselves!"
37 posted on 03/15/2003 12:00:53 AM PST by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS!)
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To: tiki
As we now know - there are enemies in our midst trampling the very freedoms that soldiers have fought to give them. Yet, they choose to hate the soldiers and war that made this country possible.

I feel sentiments like these stem from hate not love of peace - hate.
38 posted on 03/15/2003 12:01:07 AM PST by ClancyJ
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To: MigrantOkie
"This is active sedition and treason."

I agree. For American citizens to want foreign countries to attack the US, should indeed be punishable as sedition and treason, because it is.

"Shonna Carter, a publicist for Ratner's group, said she believed it would be legitimate for the U.N. to use military force to stop "U.S. aggression." "

39 posted on 03/15/2003 12:01:37 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: MigrantOkie
This is active sedition and treason. They should be arrested, have their citizenship stripped, and be sent to Gitmo. Forever.

Yeah, OK. But don't forget they have to endure an even worse punishment than that: They have to actually be the sort of person who would take this sh*t seriously. That in itself is pretty hideous. And worse, they don't even have a clue as to how pathetic they are.

40 posted on 03/15/2003 12:02:40 AM PST by FredZarguna
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