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The Lowdown on the Showdown

Posted on 03/14/2003 5:47:33 PM PST by GLDNGUN

While most are aware by now that President Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar will confer Sunday in the Azores, it seems just as many do not realize the weight of this meeting. This truly is a “war council”...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: appeasement; aznar; azoresislands; blair; bush; iraq; peaceinourtime; war
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To: GLDNGUN; Mudboy Slim
It's frightening how close they are getting to "aiding and abetting the enemy".

 

They've crossed that line, it seems to me...
Petit à petit,l´oiseau fait son nit.

161 posted on 03/15/2003 6:46:44 AM PST by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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To: GLDNGUN
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162 posted on 03/15/2003 6:55:57 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian
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To: GLDNGUN
Bump. This post should be kept alive.
163 posted on 03/15/2003 7:07:03 AM PST by Republican Red
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To: GLDNGUN
bttt
164 posted on 03/15/2003 7:12:45 AM PST by octobersky
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the heads up!
165 posted on 03/15/2003 7:24:54 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: CyberAnt
I heard today that those ships were heading for the gulf - whatever that means.


The cargo ships or the battle groups. I heard that some of the navy battle ships were tranversing the Suez Canal.....

If they have moved the cargo ships then that means Turkey is not in play as a movement area for the ground troops it would seem.


166 posted on 03/15/2003 7:25:06 AM PST by deport (The Truth doesn't need a gift to be known.....)
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To: IncPen
ping for a great read on the Azores summit
167 posted on 03/15/2003 7:31:04 AM PST by BartMan1
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To: Miss Marple; GLDNGUN; JudgeAmint
" If your post is speculation and you are incorrect, there will be a great many people disappointed and once again frustrated."

One of the lessons I've learned about the internet: enjoy it, and while some posts (like this article) are worth a place in the bookmarks, don't rest hopes in such things. This person has the ring of authenticity, but we've all known other posters who had that, too. (No need to name names, but there have been several on FR alone.)

I've bookmarked this article and saved the entire thread. If Gldngun turns out to be spot-on, then I'll lead the applause. Meanwhile, it's a completely fascinating thread.

Gldngun--I can only say: from your keyboard to God's eyes!

168 posted on 03/15/2003 7:33:52 AM PST by MizSterious ("The truth takes only seconds to tell."--Jack Straw)
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To: Polybius
" I must agree, however. "Big 3" is not a good name."

I don't know about "big"--but certainly, in today's world, "best" might apply. Then again, I'm biased.

169 posted on 03/15/2003 7:38:28 AM PST by MizSterious ("The truth takes only seconds to tell."--Jack Straw)
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To: GLDNGUN

Taken from a parallel analysis from across the pond: Farewell to the Old World

"The pathway to post-Saddam Iraq becomes daily less misty. Before the fighting starts, we should examine how Iraq links to a series of other, more structurally momentous changes, in Britain, in Europe especially and within the global political order. Large as the military action looms, Iraq may not be the most important game afoot...."

"...(The U.S.) is now struggling with its reluctant assumption of the heavy cloak of formal imperial rule, which it tried on first in Afghanistan and which the consequences of the fall of Saddam will force it to wear for a longer time."

"This time there is no doubt of American understanding of the need to follow through...."

"...Due principally to French diplomacy, now shackled to Chirac's blunt promise to veto any prospective 18th Iraq resolution, we are closer than ever before to losing the UN....The choice is, indeed, transformation or irrelevance. If the US walks away from the UN, it will do so for years. Plainly Mr Annan knows that, even if the baying Labour backbenchers calling totemically for a second resolution do not...."

"...Nato is now passing into the shadows. The spat over defending Turkey was a superficial graze compared with the far deeper wound it sustained after 9/11. The failure to use Nato in Afghanistan maimed its credibility as a military alliance; and ironically the accession of the next wave of militarily weak members, by that act, destroyed what they thought they were joining. It was dead on arrival at Prague. But since nations have permanent interests, and tailor their arrangements accordingly, a functioning successor military alliance has for some time been working quietly inside the dead structure: an "intelligence special relationship" coalition (Australia-Canada-New Zealand-UK-US) with occasional help from others. The French officer's betrayal to Serbia of air tasking orders and Chirac's capriciousness at Pristina during the Kosovo campaign have not been forgotten in Washington."

"...the biggest miscalculations of the past few weeks have been about the EU. The EU constitutional convention, as now drafted, is straightforwardly federal. Not a word of what the British and other sceptics said was entertained. When Giscard d'Estaing presented the clauses, he did so with a brutal frankness: this is the future and those who do not like it are free to leave. The assumption is that this is a deadly threat - to be cast out into the cold. But is it? For decades there have been two visions of Europe, but only one to the fore."


170 posted on 03/15/2003 7:40:19 AM PST by browardchad
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To: Joe Hadenuf
that's a shame
171 posted on 03/15/2003 7:44:55 AM PST by cactusSharp
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To: MizSterious
It's apparent that the Azores summit is not about how to get a second resolution passed at the UN. There's no reason why the UN diplomats couldn't discuss that in New York.

This is more about three leaders issuing a statement at the conclusion of the summit.

My question is why include Spain, and not Bulgaria? Both are on the Security Council, and Spain isn't sending troops (although it does have ships in the Gulf).

Or, if this is an announcement of the Coalition of the Willing, why not bring Australia to the summit?

This summit is a big deal. No doubt about that. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.

172 posted on 03/15/2003 7:52:31 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Travis McGee
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173 posted on 03/15/2003 7:57:45 AM PST by bribriagain
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To: section9
Chris,how do we keep this thread live ? a bump ?

174 posted on 03/15/2003 7:59:52 AM PST by cactusSharp
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To: cactusSharp


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175 posted on 03/15/2003 8:04:34 AM PST by woodyinscc
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To: Sabertooth
Wow. Thanks Saber ! This vanity post echoes my suspicions (post #44) when this summit in the Azores was announced !


176 posted on 03/15/2003 8:20:20 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: GLDNGUN; Travis McGee; Sabertooth; Alamo-Girl; onyx; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; ...
Thank you for your very well-thought out and insightful comments in your article commentary (post #1). Well worth reading, imho !



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest or Texas ping list!. . .don't be shy.

177 posted on 03/15/2003 8:24:58 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: GLDNGUN
And bookmarked now . . .
178 posted on 03/15/2003 8:26:22 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: woodyinscc
bttt
179 posted on 03/15/2003 8:27:47 AM PST by MamaLucci (We gave 'em enough rope, let the UN hang!)
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To: GLDNGUN
Too bad we have to leave out good allies like Australia and New Zealand.
180 posted on 03/15/2003 8:28:08 AM PST by NetValue (Only God can forgive the UN.)
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