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Elizabeth Smart Reuninted with Her Mother**picture***
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE ^ | March 13, 2003 | Elizabeth Neff

Posted on 03/13/2003 3:00:33 AM PST by Kentucky

Police found Elizabeth Smart alive and in the company of a transient panhandler Wednesday, some nine months after she disappeared from her Salt Lake City home. Sandy police located Elizabeth in the suburb with Brian David Mitchell, who had worked odd jobs for the Smarts for five hours in November 2001 and was wanted for questioning. Salt Lake City Police Chief Rick Dinse said investigators are convinced Elizabeth was kidnapped, and released the name of Wanda Eileen Barzee as a second suspect in the crime.

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To: landerwy
I had heard (though I can't say that it was a reliable source) that he had published his "own" copy of the Book of Mormon. He IS originally LDS, though excommunicated some time ago.

At first I had heard he "hates Mormons" and since I know from personal experience that there are lots of "evangelical" sidewalk preachers hanging around downtown Salt Lake City I assumed he was one of those.
361 posted on 03/13/2003 12:34:47 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Illbay
ok I'll broaden my comment to include all injustice, and your passion for it! I also know some who know them and can relate to your comments!
362 posted on 03/13/2003 12:34:55 PM PST by landerwy
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To: Hildy
}Lobbying for this Amber Alert thing was the only thing he was able to do.

Why is it some people feel they have to go on a "lifelong crusade" of pestering other people as some sort of penance for their own apparent failures. This whole story smells to high heaven. So far all we have seen is the fog.

363 posted on 03/13/2003 12:35:58 PM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
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To: homeschool mama
Oh sorry homeschool mama.....I was referring to the whole old days deal where women married young and became women (like the Luara Ingalls Wilder books), etc....the original post seemed to infer that a few months in captivity, perhaps of a sexual nature, has turned this little girl into a woman. It was a dumb reference, in hindsight.
364 posted on 03/13/2003 12:40:31 PM PST by gopwhit
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To: Cosmo
Not STABLE? This man has held his family together over a very trying year, the kids seem to be healthy and well, even though they must be frightened and this man kept Elizabeth's face before the media as much as he could. Had he not taken the initiative on these things, Elizabeth would not be home now. This is a VERY stable and loving family. When did we always start blaming the victims? As it turns out, Lois made a very bad decision to allow this man in her house, but her heart was in the right place. She will have to live with this the rest of her life.
365 posted on 03/13/2003 12:40:40 PM PST by twigs
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To: twigs
Well said!
366 posted on 03/13/2003 12:41:55 PM PST by landerwy
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To: Kentucky
Note to Mom!

Please DO NOT invite homeless drifter physco's into your home or on to your property!!

This simple info can possibly save you and/or your family members lives!

I hope you have learned a valuable lesson!

367 posted on 03/13/2003 12:47:25 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: gopwhit
I understand what your saying...thank you for explaining further. :o)
368 posted on 03/13/2003 12:47:28 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Saundra Duffy
I just read that Elizabeth Smart's mother talked to this homeless creep, gave him $5, and invited him INTO THEIR HOME TO DO REPAIRS!!!!!!!!!! For God's sake, don't these people have any brains?!!

This is called helping your fellow man. Perhaps this will be a sore lesson for them, but I hope the do not abandon a believe in Christian charity.

369 posted on 03/13/2003 12:52:50 PM PST by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: VRWC_minion
I'll teach my kids to be savy and to use whatever their instincts tell them is the best to keep them safe. A one size fits all solution fashioned by many freepers over many issues on this board is insane.

Absolutely! It's also totally unrealistic to assume that we know what we would actually do in any given situation. Arrogant too!

370 posted on 03/13/2003 12:52:53 PM PST by twigs
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To: Catspaw; Lib Buster
Utah does have the guilty but insane plea. I have a friend who does forensic evaluations on people to determine their state of mind, and whether or not they can be charged criminally. Once they are judge sane, then they get to do time in prison for whatever offense they have committed. The law is pretty strict, and she can pick out someone who is trying to game the system pretty consistently. She says the ones that are hard to read are crystal meth abusers, but even then, it can take up to six months to get a proper read on them.
371 posted on 03/13/2003 12:52:53 PM PST by Utah Girl ("We must stop evil before it becomes too powerful." - Elie Weisel.)
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To: Irene Adler
Thank you for your informative, if chilling post.
372 posted on 03/13/2003 12:54:33 PM PST by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: Lael
Sorry, but extrapolating the claims of one published shrink into allegations of fact about the intimate life of a particular young girl is an exercise in prurience, not scientific facts. Even if this guy had any empirical data to back up his assertions, it would be based on averages and norms, from which individuals can vary hugely. Case in point -- I was quite voluptuous looking at age 10; by age 11 I wore the largest bra size I've ever worn (have never hit that size again); by my late 20's I weighed 102 pounds, fit girls' size 12 clothes perfectly, and had no real need for a bra at all. Guess what happened in between those two ages?
373 posted on 03/13/2003 12:56:16 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Utah Girl; Lib Buster
Utah does have the guilty but insane plea. I have a friend who does forensic evaluations on people to determine their state of mind, and whether or not they can be charged criminally. Once they are judge sane, then they get to do time in prison for whatever offense they have committed. The law is pretty strict, and she can pick out someone who is trying to game the system pretty consistently. She says the ones that are hard to read are crystal meth abusers, but even then, it can take up to six months to get a proper read on them.

WHEW!!!!

If they're convicted, it's either life in prison or life in a mental hospital, no "get out of jail/nuthouse" free card.

374 posted on 03/13/2003 12:56:59 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: carola
Actually, Mary Catherine remembered the the intruder might be Emmanuel in October. You're right; the police blew it. They did not want to go public with the sketch. Finally Ed did it. It may have been very difficult, tho, to investigate every one who had been in the house. They are part of a large community and they obviously made their home available to people who needed help. Their going over all the people at some point triggered a memory in MC. I don't find that unuusual at all.
375 posted on 03/13/2003 12:57:31 PM PST by twigs
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To: Catspaw
We don't mess around here in Utah. :)
376 posted on 03/13/2003 1:00:08 PM PST by Utah Girl ("We must stop evil before it becomes too powerful." - Elie Weisel.)
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To: twigs
Well, it appears we see different things.

I did not blame any victims. But I think that in the case of adults, innocence is a rare distinction. That said, Mr. Smart comes off as a bit of a nut, and thus I'm suspicious of how this whole scenario played out in the first place.
377 posted on 03/13/2003 1:00:59 PM PST by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: TonyS6
This kind of stuff happens to adults; it's not at all surprising it would happen to a young protected child who had never had to worry a moment about her own security. I worked for a man once who was new to our office. In retrospect, I realize he was probably trained in psychological warfare (he had been in special ops). He first chose one person to use as a example of what would happen if anyone dared challenge anything he said (he dramatically fired her). She had been the rising star in the office and the nicest person there and within a short period, had most of the other people hating her. Then he had everyone scared for their jobs, then got "nice" and pretended like he would defend them against anyone who would threaten their job security. Just a couple of us saw what was happening and he got rid of us as soon as possible. If I had not witnessed it, I would never have believed it was possible.

We need to assume that Elizabeth was indeed traumatized into submission. The truth will come out in time and we will know what happened.

378 posted on 03/13/2003 1:03:43 PM PST by twigs
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To: Illbay
My poor thirteen-year-old (who very much resembles Elizabeth) has gotten SQUISHED these past 24 hours. She was glad to get to school to escape my clutches!

LOL!! When she's a parent, she'll understand. Until then, she'll keeping looking for the bus to come!

379 posted on 03/13/2003 1:07:34 PM PST by twigs
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To: Catspaw
What we're seeing and what we're going to see is a deliberate trashing of the victim and the victim's family from now until the end of the trial by both Mitchell's defense attorney and Mitchell's supporters.

You've called it exactly. It's sickening!

380 posted on 03/13/2003 1:11:03 PM PST by twigs
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