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New Jimmy Carter Scam Uncovered
FAA - ATC logs | MB26 / FAA friend

Posted on 03/09/2003 9:13:08 AM PST by MindBender26

New Jimmy Carter Scam Uncovered

Despite the left-leaning mass media’s claims of “greatness” for Jimmy Carter in his post-presidential days, most astute world observers know Carter’s years since 1980 have been as unproductive as his time in the White House.

Now Carter's true aims have been illustrated by the uncovering of a new scam to mislead potential Carter clients.

Despite all the claims to the contrary, his so-called “Peace Missions” are nothing more than publicity stunts to get him higher fees on the speaking circuit. Carter then uses his paid podium performances to continue to spread his mantra of anti-American, pro-“progressive” pap.

Carter’s latest trick to boost his image is more of the same. He has rented time in a Cessna Citation business jet from NetJets, formerly Executive Jet. Under the plan, users commit to use a Citation jet for 50, 100 or 200 hours a year, while NetJets provides professionally trained quality crews, expert maintenance, etc., all at a reasonable fixed cost per hour.

NetJet clients such as Carter are charged an initial aquisition fee and then only for flight hours, broken down to the closest minute. Carter is using that concept to puff up his importance.

Potential clients fly to Atlanta to meet Carter. Carter arranges a meeting room at the main airport in Atlanta, Hartsfield International. He demands the meeting at Hartsfield because he is “so busy.”

Carter is then driven from his home by Secret Service guards to Atlanta Peachtree Airport, where he boards the NetJets airplane. He then takes a 4-minute flight to Hartsfield where he greets the prospective clients. The clients are impressed, because “Carter is so important.” The cost to Carter for the 4-minute flight is about $66.00.

NetJets paints all the planes the same colors, so clients think he is arriving in the same plane each time, supposedly “his.” If they looked at the tail numbers, they would notice the aircraft are all numbered differently, so Carter arriving by fancy private jet is nothing more than a hooker renting a fancy gown for the Cinderella Ball.

The most foolish part is that Carter often must drive past Hartsfield International to get to the smaller Peachtree Airport to board “his” jet and make a grand entrance!

The airplane, like the Carter presidency, is all a charade.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Breaking News; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: carter; jimmycarter; mrpeanut
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To: MindBender26
The most foolish part is that Carter often must drive past Hartsfield International to get to the smaller Peachtree Airport to board “his” jet and make a grand entrance!

This from the president who sold off the presidential yacht and addressed the country from the white house wearing a sweater.

61 posted on 03/09/2003 10:00:04 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (This space left intentionally blank.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Depends where he is at the time. NetJets responds to any airport you desire, as long as it meets runway requirements, etc. Good observation.
62 posted on 03/09/2003 10:00:30 AM PST by MindBender26 (.....and for more news as it happens...stay tuned to your local FReeper station....)
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To: MindBender26
The man knows his peanuts however
63 posted on 03/09/2003 10:01:18 AM PST by woofie
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To: MindBender26
Typical LIB.
64 posted on 03/09/2003 10:01:43 AM PST by exnavy
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To: arete
Oh yeah sure, like Carter's clients are going to be standing around looking out the window for his plane. Anyone believing that Carter is taking a plane from Peachtree to Hartsfield to impress clients will believe anything. You have too much time on your hands

Mr. Dickie,

Actually, no.

Pvt. A/C do not pull up to main terminal. They arrive at much smaller facility called an FBO. Guests would probably not look out window, but go out to A/C to meet him, or at least to the fence where the A/C pulls up, 30 feet away. They even do that when I'm meeting someone at Peachtree or even (rarely used for small A/C) Hartsfield. I can taxi up to about 20 feet from the fence and invite my passengers (if picking up) or friends out to the A/C.

In addition, any time a former prez, or even anyone at some FBOs arrives, it's roll out the red carpet time. Landed in Agusta, GA once in an Ercoupe and out came the carpet! Plus with his security detail, it's a big, impressive deal.

Too bad you beleive the Carter myths. Not even the average American beleives them anymore.

65 posted on 03/09/2003 10:08:11 AM PST by MindBender26 (.....and for more news as it happens...stay tuned to your local FReeper station....)
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To: MindBender26
Shep is no Fairy

Whatever. Don't give him the story anyway. That copy he writes with everthing in present progressive tense is so irritating. Enough to make me switch to CNN.

66 posted on 03/09/2003 10:08:16 AM PST by Stultis
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To: MindBender26
ROTFLMAO

...so Carter arriving by fancy private jet is nothing more than a hooker renting a fancy gown for the Cinderella Ball.

67 posted on 03/09/2003 10:11:57 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: Kevin Curry
One of the most disliked people who ever graduated from the Academy.......

I loved him because he drove the interest rates to 17% during his tenure and I had my cash in a local bank with a five year lock on the rate....On second thought he did almost ruin the country though...

68 posted on 03/09/2003 10:20:04 AM PST by rmvh
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To: MindBender26
Substantiate your claims or are they speculation and bs as I suspect, in order to slam Carter.

Richard W.

69 posted on 03/09/2003 10:21:28 AM PST by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: Osage Orange
"You know...I'm not all that familiar with all the details of the BCCI deal."

Im presently reading the book, The Outlaw Bank: BCCI. It's outrageous what people got away with in this scam. The true connections to our politicians was concealed. Jimmy Carter is a real scumbag.

71 posted on 03/09/2003 10:25:02 AM PST by blam
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To: MindBender26
I by no means support Jimmy Carter, but question the accuracy of this report.

I am an owner in a different fractional ownership program, but have studied NetJet's agreement, and it is virtually identical to my own.

Following is an excerpt from my contract:

Owner agrees that all Flight Segments shall be deemed to be a minimum of one hour’s duration; except that this one hour minimum Flight Segment duration shall not apply to (i) three minimum leg Flight Segments per Year for each one-sixteenth ownership interest of Owner in the Aircraft (See Schedule A for total Minimum Leg Allocation),

And, also:

In addition, one tenth of an hour shall be added to each take-off and each landing to allow for taxi time.

Prices vary according to the size of the plane purchased, but even in my case, as a fractional owner of one of the smaller planes I pay around $4,000 per hour for flight time (this includes the hourly rate, an estimate for depreciation, and an apportionment of the monthly management fee).

In other words, even the shortest flight, on even the smallest plane, costs $4,000 or more.

It is certainly possible that former presidents can negotiate better deals than us mere mortals, but I doubt it. I negotiated with NetJets for months, and they are very stubborn. They are the 800 pound gorilla in the fractional ownership market, and by far the best of the companies. They don't compromise for anyone. -Ken
72 posted on 03/09/2003 10:28:56 AM PST by KenW
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To: MindBender26
Great work. This is SO FUNNY! What a clown Carter is; with peanut breath to boot.
73 posted on 03/09/2003 10:30:46 AM PST by LaGrone
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To: MindBender26
This needs to be forwarded to Rush Limbaugh and Matt Drudge.
74 posted on 03/09/2003 10:31:00 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: MindBender26
What a jerk!!!!!
75 posted on 03/09/2003 10:49:52 AM PST by aculeus (They also serve who ping and bump.)
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To: arete
Substantiate your claims or are they speculation and bs as I suspect, in order to slam Carter. Richard W.

#1 Lower your volume
#2. Lower your expectation of what Carter, Clinton et. al would do/not do.
#3. Lower your estimation of your importance.

I have seen xerox copies of ATL TRACON logs of the flights.
I have compared the flight logs and their ATC handling to Carter's published schedules.
I have spoken with a NetJets copilot who is personally known to me as a truth teller (she is a a 5-5-5 on the POI Rating scale) who flew one of the flights.
I have confirmed it with "line boys" at both FBOs.

Now, please help us understand why you cannot believe what a vast majority of Americans have no trouble believing.

Neil Bortz flies a Mooney and operates out of Atlanta. Bet he will have no problem verifying it either.

76 posted on 03/09/2003 10:55:30 AM PST by MindBender26 (.....and for more news as it happens...stay tuned to your local FReeper station....)
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To: MindBender26
Like Carter, Clinton will seek refuge in Europe.
77 posted on 03/09/2003 10:55:35 AM PST by Helms (Pacifism in Defence of Freedom is Indeed a Vice)
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To: MindBender26; kjam22; fortheDeclaration; xzins; Revelation 911; The Grammarian; winstonchurchill; ..
A little lite Carter read ..Great work MB
78 posted on 03/09/2003 10:57:27 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Kevin Curry
He has a Nobel Peace Prize to prove it.

AND HE BOUGHT THE PEACE PRIZE!!

79 posted on 03/09/2003 11:00:05 AM PST by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: MindBender26
I wish someone would pick up this story and do a little investigating. And I wonder if there is any way that Carter could stick us taxpayers with the bill, whatever the amount it may be.

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The Atlanta Journal--Constipation
September 14, 2002 Saturday Home Edition
Business; Pg. 2F

HEADLINE: Daily Briefing
SOURCE: AJC reports and news services

MANUFACTURING: Cessna wins order from NetJets

Providence, R.I. --- Textron Inc.'s Cessna aircraft unit won a $300 million order from NetJets, the world's largest private operator of business jets, for as many as 112 airplanes. NetJets, owned by Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway, agreed to buy 50 CJ3 business jets and 12 Citation X planes, and took options to buy another 50 CJ3s. NetJets sells fractional ownerships of small jets to corporations and wealthy individuals in a type of time-sharing arrangement.


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Texas Lawyer
December 3, 2001
Vol. 17; No. 39; Pg. 55

Legal Eagles Take Flight
Lawyer-Pilots, Firms With Planes Say They Save Money, Time

by JON RIZZI and CRISTINA SMITH

Given a choice, a growing number of attorneys would rather travel by private plane than by commercial jet. It's more time-efficient, less stressful and can be a cost-saver for the firm. In the wake of the tragic events of Sept. 11, the number of lawyers flying privately promises to increase. Private plane passengers and pilots also are not subject to lengthy lines, frequents frisks and other inconveniences now so common on commercial flights.

(snip)

A Necessity?

More than 1,300 of the country's lawyer-pilots belong to the 42-year-old Lawyer-Pilot Bar Association, says its president, William Wimsatt. The Texas chairman, Gary Evans of Coats & Evans in The Woodlands, says most lawyers who want to fly privately have three choices: charter a plane, buy into a fractional ownership program or buy a plane outright.

The largest growth segment in aviation has been in fractional ownership, he says. Fractional ownership works like a vacation condominium timeshare. Based on the amount contributed to the purchase price of the plane, the firm or lawyer gets a set amount of flight time.

With jets starting at about $5 million and going up to about $30 million, firms need to evaluate what is most cost efficient for their particular needs, he says.

How does fractional ownership work? The smallest and most popular unit, a one-sixteenth share, gets you 50 hours per year of flight time. In many ways, it's like a very expensive car service. You just give the dispatcher your information and "your" Citation, Hawker, Gulfstream or the equivalent meets you at the appointed airport, usually within four hours of your call. You may or may not get the same plane twice, so don't forget anything on board.

The cost of these deals is divided into three sections: basic acquisition, monthly management and hourly air time. None of these comes cheap. For example, one of the least expensive deals, a one-sixteenth share in a seven-seat Cessna Citation II, offered through Flight Options, carries an acquisition cost of $197,500; monthly management fee of $4,500; and an hourly cost of $1,295. All companies add surcharges if you exceed your annual hour limit, but you can borrow or carry forward unused hours from one year to the next. As with all major property purchases, there are myriad financial and legal questions. For more information, see www.fractionalownership.com.

Even before the Sept. 11 attacks, the Aviation Research Group/U.S. reported that there were more than 560 fractionally owned aircraft in the United States. By 2005, the group estimates, there will be 1,400 fractionally owned aircraft, with a passenger load of 1.6 million.

Executive Jet, the parent company of NetJets, has 556 planes on order between now and 2008. If NetJets takes delivery on all of them, its fleet would number more than that of any current domestic carrier.

These planes can access any national or international airport directly, without having to go through the hub-and-spoke system of commercial airlines. Despite the cost, whether they're owned fractionally or outright, flown professionally or personally, private planes seem to be providing the convenience, security and sense of control that commercial planes lack.


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The Augusta Chronicle
April 1, 2000, Saturday, ALL EDITIONS
ABC, Pg. O16

A SOARING INDUSTRY
CURRENT ECONOMY HAS MADE PRIVATE PLANES AFFORDABLE FOR MANY CORPORATIONS LOOKING TO CUT EXECUTIVES' TRAVEL TIME


Damon Cline; Staff Writer

On any given day during Masters Week, you'll find more than 150 private planes vying for space at Augusta Regional Airport at Bush Field.

On a typical day, the airport will experience about 217 operations (takeoffs and landings). That mushrooms to 618 during the Masters, with most of the increase from private aviation.

The Masters is a truly busy time at the airport, but the facility sees plenty of noncommercial activity on a regular basis. Historically, more than half of the airport's traffic is general aviation, which encompasses everything from multimillion-dollar corporate jets to single-engine propeller planes.

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Realizing that saving time is more crucial to executives than ever before, the general-aviation industry is making it easier for companies to access planes through fractional ownership.

Companies offering fractional ownership programs, such as NetJets and Flexjet, sell companies a percentage of the plane's ownership, sort of like a condo timeshare.

Fractional owners share the plane, the pilot and assume no maintenance costs. For example, a company owning a one-eighth share of a Learjet 31A through Flexjet gets 100 hours of flight time for $ 800,000.

A Hilton Head Island, S.C., company, CarinaStar, is making fractional ownership viable for small to medium-size companies with sales in the $ 1 million-$ 50 million range.

The company is selling quarter shares in more affordable planes, such as the single-engine Beech Baron and twin-engine Beech Bonanza. Either plane can beat a scheduled commercial flight from Hilton Head to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., by two hours, company President Michael Rindler said.

Companies benefiting from his fractional ownership program are those that normally charter an average of one to two flights per week.

''When you charter, you are buying a service. When you buy a share, it becomes a depreciable asset, so there are tax advantages to it,'' he said.

Freepmail me if you have any search keywords you can share privately. There's a ton of stuff out there but I don't have much time.

80 posted on 03/09/2003 11:00:15 AM PST by Nita Nuprez (Yes, I still like Dubya; I just don't have a password for Nupress.)
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