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COMING POLICE STATE
Fiedor Report On the News #305 ^ | 3-9-03 | Ron Paul

Posted on 03/08/2003 9:29:27 AM PST by forest

[NOTE: This text was first published in the March 7, 1997 newsletter. It was an important message in 1997, but seems even more important today.]

Last week we gave Rep. Ron Paul's toll-free Legislative Update number (1-888-322-1414) and suggested that readers listen to his message "The Coming Police State." We were told by a lot of people that they missed it.

Originally, that message was part of a one hour speech Rep. Paul made on the floor of the House. And, thanks to Jeff in Michigan, we have the complete text. Below is the shortened version of Rep. Paul's speech recorded as the "Legislative Update:"

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Centralizing power and consistently expanding the role of the Government requires an army of bureaucrats and a taxing authority upon which a police state thrives. There are over 100 laws on the books permitting private property seizure without due process of law. We have made it easy to seize any property by absurdly claiming the property itself committed the crime. The RICO mentality relating to law enforcement permits even the casual bystander to suffer severely from the police state mentality.

The drug war hysteria and the war on gun ownership started by Roosevelt in 1934 have expanded Federal police power to the point that more than 10 percent of all of our police are Federal. The Constitution names but three Federal crimes, so where is the justification? Talk about swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. We have hovering over us daily the Federal police from the EPA, OSHA, FBI, CIA, DEA, EEOC, ADA, F&WL, INS, BATF, and worst of all, the IRS. Even criticizing the IRS makes me cringe that it might precipitate an audit. It seems that all administrations, to some degree, used the power of the agencies to reward or punish financial backers or political enemies.

So much [of] that had its origin in the 1930's, it was then that the FBI's role changed from friendly investigator helping local authorities to that of national police force.

We live in an age where the fear of an IRS registered letter bearing news of an audit surpasses the fear of a street mugging. The police are supposed to be our friend and the Federal Government the guarantor of our liberties. Ask the blacks in the inner city of Los Angeles if they trust the police and revere the FBI and the CIA. We should not have to cringe when a Federal agent appears at the door of our business. We should not even see them there.

A Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution ought to be protecting our right to our property, not confiscating it. Congress ought to protect our right to own a weapon of self-defense, not systematically and viciously attacking that right.

Congress ought to guarantee all voluntary association, not regulate and dictate every economic transaction. We should not allow Congress to give credence to inane politically correct rules generated by egalitarian misfits. Setting quotas ought to insult each of us.

We need no more centralized police efforts. We need no more wiretaps that have become epidemic in this last decade. We have had enough Wacos and Ruby Ridges.

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<http://www.house.gov/paul>

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To: HumanaeVitae
There is only one right, that every human being from the beginning of time until the end of time can agree on: the right not to be arbitrarily killed.

Two stupidities in one sentence. First, it is manifestly not true that every human being has agreed that there is a right not to be killed (unless you're going to tell us that Hitler and Stalin, for example, were really space aliens).

Second, your "arbitrarily" weasel word is a painfully obvious attempt to wriggle out of difficulties (killing in self-defense, execution as punishment for a crime, etc). Sorry, but you don't get to do that -- or, if you do, then you must allow no less latitude to the rights of property, freedom of speech, etc. Since these other rights do not, in fact, require such weaselry to avoid contradiction (but instead require only equal regard for the rights of others), your position in arguing against them collapses.

421 posted on 03/17/2003 11:21:46 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
A Public Service Announcement From the Chicken Little Sky Is Falling Society.
422 posted on 03/17/2003 11:24:01 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: HumanaeVitae
Similarly, I believe you have no "right" to own a firearm. However, it is impossible for a government to extend protection to all people in a society at all times; in fact, to try would result in tyranny and gross abuses of Right #1. So my system would more or less demand firarms ownership because--you have a right not to be arbitrarily killed and government cannot secure that right at all places at all times. Thus, prudentially, private firearms ownership would be extended to everyone.

A white southerner of a century ago would nod and say, "Yes, ma'am; keepin' the public ordah is exactly why we need to make sure the good ol' boys got shotguns so them Nigras don't git uppity" -- and your philosophy would leave you utterly without a counterargument.

423 posted on 03/17/2003 11:24:29 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
Steve, you never answered my original question from eight months ago: why is it wrong to kill your own children?

You're something like a chihuahua, aren't you?

First, it is manifestly not true that every human being has agreed that there is a right not to be killed.

So, you're arguing for arbitrarily killing?

Second, your "arbitrarily" weasel word is a painfully obvious attempt to wriggle out of difficulties (killing in self-defense, execution as punishment for a crime, etc

I'm against the death penalty. And apparently you, unlike me, are against self-defense.

Steve, stop trying to defeat my positions and start examining how foolish and stupid some of yours are. Don't make me offer you a burger from the Gunga Diner.

424 posted on 03/17/2003 11:53:55 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: steve-b
and your philosophy would leave you utterly without a counterargument.

Except for the part where I stated that all people are equal before the law because of their intrinsic worth.

You sound a lot smarter than you really are steve.

425 posted on 03/17/2003 11:55:22 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
Nope; if you start from the position that the only right is a right to life then you are forced to defend any social order, no matter how repressive by any other standard, that keeps order. Having claimed that all else is a mere privilege, then you're stuck with the logical implications of that position, and will be repeatedly reminded of them until you admit that your premise doesn't work.

426 posted on 03/17/2003 12:36:28 PM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
Pathetic. Answer the question that has been put to you: Were Hitler and Stalin space aliens or people?
427 posted on 03/17/2003 12:37:19 PM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
stop trying to defeat my positions

"Trying"? You flatter yourself amongst the broken wreckage of what passes for your "position".

428 posted on 03/17/2003 12:38:35 PM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
Except for the part where I stated that all people are equal before the law because of their intrinsic worth.

On the contrary, in your statement that you would allow speech that did not offend you and prohibit that which did, you expressly rejected any notion of equality before the law.

429 posted on 03/17/2003 12:47:01 PM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
Know your rights-All 3 of them.

1.You have the right to free speech as long as you are not dumb enough to use it.

2. You have the right not to be killed unless it is by a POLICEMAN OR AN ARISTOCRAT.

3. You have the right to food money as long as you don't mind a little intimidation, investigation and a little humiliation.

Are these some of your recognised rights of man?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeessssshhhhhh.

CATO

430 posted on 03/17/2003 11:56:41 PM PST by Cato
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To: steve-b
Read it again. You know steve, I put you on an ignore list of mine a while back. Tpaine has made my permanent ignore list. I think after this conversation you're on there as well. You've got nothing to say exept a bunch of snide insults, and you won't put forward what you believe because you know I'll tear it apart.
431 posted on 03/18/2003 8:16:48 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: steve-b
Nope; if you start from the position that the only right is a right to life then you are forced to defend any social order, no matter how repressive by any other standard, that keeps order. Having claimed that all else is a mere privilege, then you're stuck with the logical implications of that position, and will be repeatedly reminded of them until you admit that your premise doesn't work.

Steve, are you a homosexual? Your level of immaturity would imply as such.

432 posted on 03/18/2003 8:18:18 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
Actually, let me amend that. You could be Michael Kinsley going incognito. He's straight, but just as annoying as a flamer.
433 posted on 03/18/2003 8:22:35 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
"I believe you have no "right" to own a firearm." -hv-

No one on FR should ignore your idiocy, as above.

434 posted on 03/18/2003 8:23:07 AM PST by tpaine
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To: HumanaeVitae
you won't put forward what you believe

BWAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA

Oh, this is a new level of delusional inanity, even for you.

435 posted on 03/18/2003 8:33:15 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
To: HumanaeVitae
Actually, let me amend that. You could be Michael Kinsley going incognito.

Nah, HV sounds like any of a dozen DUmpster denizens who barely rise to the rank of Kinsley wannabees. Admittedly, "I believe you have no "right" to own a firearm." is a good attempt at making the leftist position sound intellectualoid enough to be coming from a TV talking head, but the various juvie insults (e.g. "Are you a homosexual?") drop the mask.

You can take the troll out of the DUmpster, but you can't take the DUmpster out of the troll.

436 posted on 03/18/2003 8:36:27 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
You are now on the permanent ignore list. I don't know how many times I've completely defeated you in arguments, i.e. you went away and didn't come back.

You're dim, my friend, very dim. But worse, you're an intellectual coward. Goodbye.

437 posted on 03/18/2003 8:52:30 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
I don't know how many times I've completely defeated you in arguments

For the benefit of those keeping score at home, that would be "zero".

438 posted on 03/18/2003 9:22:47 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
You are now on the permanent ignore list.

[ ROCKET J. SQUIRREL ] Again? [ /ROCKET J. SQUIRREL ]

439 posted on 03/18/2003 9:31:21 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
Given enough time, HV will be 'ignoring' everyone on FR.

-- We can hope.
440 posted on 03/18/2003 9:37:35 AM PST by tpaine
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