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COMING POLICE STATE
Fiedor Report On the News #305 ^ | 3-9-03 | Ron Paul

Posted on 03/08/2003 9:29:27 AM PST by forest

[NOTE: This text was first published in the March 7, 1997 newsletter. It was an important message in 1997, but seems even more important today.]

Last week we gave Rep. Ron Paul's toll-free Legislative Update number (1-888-322-1414) and suggested that readers listen to his message "The Coming Police State." We were told by a lot of people that they missed it.

Originally, that message was part of a one hour speech Rep. Paul made on the floor of the House. And, thanks to Jeff in Michigan, we have the complete text. Below is the shortened version of Rep. Paul's speech recorded as the "Legislative Update:"

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Centralizing power and consistently expanding the role of the Government requires an army of bureaucrats and a taxing authority upon which a police state thrives. There are over 100 laws on the books permitting private property seizure without due process of law. We have made it easy to seize any property by absurdly claiming the property itself committed the crime. The RICO mentality relating to law enforcement permits even the casual bystander to suffer severely from the police state mentality.

The drug war hysteria and the war on gun ownership started by Roosevelt in 1934 have expanded Federal police power to the point that more than 10 percent of all of our police are Federal. The Constitution names but three Federal crimes, so where is the justification? Talk about swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. We have hovering over us daily the Federal police from the EPA, OSHA, FBI, CIA, DEA, EEOC, ADA, F&WL, INS, BATF, and worst of all, the IRS. Even criticizing the IRS makes me cringe that it might precipitate an audit. It seems that all administrations, to some degree, used the power of the agencies to reward or punish financial backers or political enemies.

So much [of] that had its origin in the 1930's, it was then that the FBI's role changed from friendly investigator helping local authorities to that of national police force.

We live in an age where the fear of an IRS registered letter bearing news of an audit surpasses the fear of a street mugging. The police are supposed to be our friend and the Federal Government the guarantor of our liberties. Ask the blacks in the inner city of Los Angeles if they trust the police and revere the FBI and the CIA. We should not have to cringe when a Federal agent appears at the door of our business. We should not even see them there.

A Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution ought to be protecting our right to our property, not confiscating it. Congress ought to protect our right to own a weapon of self-defense, not systematically and viciously attacking that right.

Congress ought to guarantee all voluntary association, not regulate and dictate every economic transaction. We should not allow Congress to give credence to inane politically correct rules generated by egalitarian misfits. Setting quotas ought to insult each of us.

We need no more centralized police efforts. We need no more wiretaps that have become epidemic in this last decade. We have had enough Wacos and Ruby Ridges.

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<http://www.house.gov/paul>

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To: Roscoe


Which principles? FR's libertarians pick and choose like it's a Chinese menu.
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Give me an example of one of those malleable principles, Roscoe.

121 posted on 03/08/2003 2:35:01 PM PST by exodus
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To: Kevin Curry
Except personal nukes. Personal nukes are impracticable.

Hey hold on a second Kevin. I'm not a Libertarian, but I wouldn't mind having my own personal nuke. Everyone would finally leave me the hell alone already.

122 posted on 03/08/2003 2:35:10 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Illbay
"On that date, we became a police state...."

Only if you are a terrorist. Are you a terrorist?
-ill-

Are you a wannabe 'patriot act' enforcer, billy?
123 posted on 03/08/2003 2:37:08 PM PST by tpaine
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To: mysterio
I never defended the Patriot Act. Some of it is sensible, other parts are not. The unwise and unsensible parts should be excised and rescinded.

That's how Ron Paul could do some good--drafting and submitting legislation to pare it back--not barking like a highly-paid circus seal the spurious libertarian argument "if I don't like it, it must be unconstitutional."

124 posted on 03/08/2003 2:38:08 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Roscoe


Administrative and regulatory searches and inspections occur constantly without search warrants. Plain sight searches require no search warrants. Police normally search arrestees without search warrants.
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Administrative and regulatory searches? Plain sight searches?

In those instances, searches are illegal without a warrant, Roscoe.

125 posted on 03/08/2003 2:39:05 PM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
"True libertarians think. That doesn't mean that we share the same opinions on every issue." -- exodus

So what are these "libertarian principles"? The Party platform? Channeling the ghost of Ayn Rand? Coin tosses?

126 posted on 03/08/2003 2:40:53 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
False. Administrative and regulatory searches and inspections occur constantly without search warrants. Plain sight searches require no search warrants. Police normally search arrestees without search warrants.
-roscoe-


I can hear roscoes jack booted excitement building from here. Down boy, down!
127 posted on 03/08/2003 2:41:17 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Frisking an arrestee for weapons is unconstitutional? And you loons wonder why you can't break one percent support in a national election.
128 posted on 03/08/2003 2:42:59 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry


I never defended the Patriot Act. Some of it is sensible, other parts are not. The unwise and unsensible parts should be excised and rescinded.
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All of the Patriot Act is illegal. It should all be rescinded.

Our new Homeland Security Department was created to fulfill the provisions of the Patriot Act. It should be abolished, too.

129 posted on 03/08/2003 2:43:38 PM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
Plain sight searches? In those instances, searches are illegal without a warrant, Roscoe.

What astounding nonsense! Willful ignorance and fanaticism are natural allies.

130 posted on 03/08/2003 2:43:55 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Kevin Curry
Want some moldy cheese with that sour old whine, kevin?
131 posted on 03/08/2003 2:44:33 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Kevin Curry; Roscoe
Down boy, -- or you'll end up in the pit with roscoe!
132 posted on 03/08/2003 2:47:00 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
No answer, naturally. Only libertarians would would be delusional enough to hold that the police can't frisk an arrestee without a warrant.
133 posted on 03/08/2003 2:47:39 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
You said that libertarian principles change with the wind. I'm a libertarian. Give me an example of one of my malleable principles.

How can I dispute your unfounded accusation in general terms? You say "They are!", so I'm supposed to say, "They aren't!?"

I don't know what you're talking about.

134 posted on 03/08/2003 2:47:48 PM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
All of the Patriot Act is illegal. I don't know about it being illegal. If it goes through the legislature, then it must be legal - unless it is unconstitutional.

But I am against it all as bad law. The existing laws should be enforced, rather than new ones made. And the government agencies which failed in their duty, thus being shown to be careless on Sept 11, should be disciplined and if necessary mass sackings of those that failed. That is what happens in private enterprise. If you fail, then you are out. You can give your excuses to the open air on the street.

135 posted on 03/08/2003 2:47:51 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: exodus
All of the Patriot Act is illegal.

You had better arrest a bunch of people then. Show them your libertarian's tin badge, invoke the sacred name of your favorite founder, round them up, and put them in the hoosgow.

Just remember: you're not allowed to frisk any of the arrestees for weapons unless you first obtain a warrant.

BTW, where does a libertarian purist get a warrant ( with the courts all being illegal and such)?

136 posted on 03/08/2003 2:49:26 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: exodus
All of the Patriot Act is illegal.

You couldn't even back up your first talking point regarding warrants.

137 posted on 03/08/2003 2:49:45 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: exodus
I'm a libertarian.

And what does that mean? Do you invent your own "principles" as you go along? Do you adhere to the party planks? Do you channel Rand's ghost? Do you use a Magic 8-Ball?

138 posted on 03/08/2003 2:52:29 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe

exodus - Plain sight searches? In those instances, searches are illegal without a warrant, Roscoe.
What astounding nonsense! Willful ignorance and fanaticism are natural allies.
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I mentioned that Administrative and regulatory searches are illegal without a warrant too, Roscoe.

I base that comment, and the comment on "plain sight searches" being illegal, on libertarian principles.

139 posted on 03/08/2003 2:52:30 PM PST by exodus
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To: Roscoe
One of my favorite subjects roscoe.
But I doubt fanatics like you will ever learn much about it, as they seem to be incapable of self recognition. - Catch 22.

Arthur Koestler on fanaticism:

"The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation.
We are thus driven to the unfashionable conclusion that the trouble with our species is not an excess of aggression, but an excess capacity for fanatical devotion."

140 posted on 03/08/2003 2:52:32 PM PST by tpaine
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