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To: Grampa Dave
did the NK's do this to America?

No, and neither did Iraq - - unless you have evidence that nobody else has offered.

Don't get me wrong, I'm anti-Iraq as the next guy. But if containment will work against N Korea (as Bush says it will ) then I'd like to see it tried against Iraq - or like to hear why the double standard.

1,216 posted on 03/06/2003 5:54:56 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
I'm anti-Iraq as the next guy.

only if you're sitting next to a coward.

dep

1,244 posted on 03/06/2003 5:56:22 PM PST by dep
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To: churchillbuff
churchill...real simple...there are no Al Qaidas in NK.

there are in Iraq.

NK is only exporting scuds...

Ricin has been in Europe thanks to SH.

After we finish, quickly, with SH, KIS is next.

He's a dead man if he doesn't wise up. Not his people...just him.
1,302 posted on 03/06/2003 5:59:04 PM PST by Keith
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To: churchillbuff
Ahh...another Freeper Sleeper.
1,321 posted on 03/06/2003 6:00:22 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Leave the monkeys alone.)
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To: churchillbuff
I had a fascinating conversation today with someone I know whose roots are in the Middle East. Word on the street there is that Iraq has been behind every terrorist attack against the U.S. going back to the first WTC bombing in 1993.

The "Islamic fundamentalist" angle to all of these attacks has been nothing more than a front. But the U.S. must continually allow it to be used, because it helps cover the utter incompetence and malfeasance on the part of the U.S. government over the last ten years.

The last thing American citizens want to hear is that Iraq has been carrying out low-grade guerrilla warfare inside the United States since 1993.

1,322 posted on 03/06/2003 6:00:23 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: churchillbuff; AmericanInTokyo; John Valentine; TigerLikesRooster; sushiman
But if containment will work against N Korea (as Bush says it will ) then I'd like to see it tried against Iraq - or like to hear why the double standard.

Again, I'll say that you seem remarkably uninformed about North Korea for someone who is spending so much time ranting about it. I'd suggest that you do a search on FR using "Korea" and thread titles.

While you're searching, if you read the comments, look particularly for what AmericanInTokyo, John Valentine, sushiman, and TigerLikesRooster have to say, because they are in the area and know the people.

I think you'll find two things: one is that the risk of civilian casualties is several orders of magnitude higher with an attack on North Korea, and the other is that the North Korean regime is thought to be in its death throes - if we sit tight, there's a fair chance it will collapse of its own accord shortly.

There's also the China factor, but this is probably enough for you to look up at one time.

1,351 posted on 03/06/2003 6:03:05 PM PST by Amelia
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To: churchillbuff
Wasn't the last ten years all about containment? Did it work? Were the UN resolutions violated? Did the oil embargo on Iraq work? The only thing a scumbag like Saddam understands is a bullet and Clinton didn't have the balls or the brains to pull it off. Now Saddam will have to deal with a man that is not afraid to use massive force to pursue our national security interests. Saddam deserves everything coming his way.
1,401 posted on 03/06/2003 6:07:29 PM PST by muslims=borg (Outstanding Red Team...Outstanding....I'll get ya a case of beer for that one........)
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To: churchillbuff
".......like to hear why the double standard......"

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth?

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”
~Samuel Adams
 

1,402 posted on 03/06/2003 6:07:31 PM PST by DoctorMichael ("Pacifism.......is Pro-Fascist" ~~~~~George Orwell)
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To: churchillbuff
The take on NK first is a ploy developed by the NY Slimes and the DNC. It doesn't even deserve any more consideration than their lack of gravitas bs.

They probably don't even have a nuclear weapon yet.

Back again, to who did you vote for in 2000?
1,410 posted on 03/06/2003 6:08:39 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: churchillbuff
Don't get me wrong, I'm anti-Iraq as the next guy. But if containment will work against N Korea (as Bush says it will ) then I'd like to see it tried against Iraq - or like to hear why the double standard.

Let's take a walk down memory lane...

Iraq invades Kuwait. The Dems think we should do nothing. The French think we should do nothing (maybe some sanctions). After almost six months of lobbying Bush the First convinces the UN to go after him. The French insist that we not actually go after Saddam, just get him out of Kuwait.

We kick his butt faster than anyone thought possible. Bush, good to his word, does not go for the kill. Saddam, in retreat, sets the Kuwaiti oil fields on fire.

As part of the end of hositilities, Iraq agrees to disarm. The UN sends inspectors in to make sure he does. Saddam jerks the inspectors around until 1998 and then kicks them out. We should have resumed hostilities then, but Clinton was president.

GWB takes office and starts to put the pressure back on Saddam to comply with his ORIGINAL agreement to disarm. Everyone seems to forget that we stopped bombing the crap out of him only because he agreed to disarm.

Since he has still not disarmed, since there is good intelligence tying him to various terrorist groups, since we were attacked on 9/11 by terrorists groups, we feel that NOW is a good time for Saddam to comply with his agreements, or we will resume hostilities.

This is why containment won't work. Containment will not disarm him. He needs to be disarmed because he has already invaded his neighbors and would likely do so again if he thinks no one would stop him.

The PRK is a separate issue, with different dynamics, that will be handled at a different time, in a different way.

By the way, what are your credentials that lead you to be an expert on foreign policy? Mine are a degree in Polical Science, I had Kurt Valdheim as a professor for International Relations, and three years in state politics and two years as an aide to a Congressman who co-chaired the foreign relations committee.

1,477 posted on 03/06/2003 6:15:40 PM PST by Crusher138
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To: churchillbuff
Containment vis a vis Iraq requires a regime of a large number of troops in theater (currently almost all US and UK) that are ready to go at a moment's notice for the inspection regime to proceed at even a snail's pace. That regime is simply not sustainable. Beyond the cost, the annoyance of the host theater countries that want this over with, and the US and UK out, support in the US, and certainly the UK, will slowly erode. It is already. Time is running out.
2,004 posted on 03/06/2003 8:38:39 PM PST by Torie
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