Ugly Aftermath of Roe: Men Now Presume Post-Coital Right to a Dead Baby

NY Newsday ^ | 3-6-2003 | Sheryl McCarthy

[Notwithstanding]

From Los Angeles (NY NewsDay):

“His own private investigator testified that before Bakley's murder Blake discussed with him his plans to kidnap the pregnant woman, force her to have an abortion and, if necessary, kill her.”

[Notwithstanding]

Very recent headlines show us that a “woman’s choice” is now a “man’s right.”

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From Los Angeles (NY NewsDay):

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/ny-vpmcc063158949mar06,0,4077140.column?coll=nyc-topheadlines-left

“His own private investigator testified that before Bakley's murder Blake discussed with him his plans to kidnap the pregnant woman, force her to have an abortion and, if necessary, kill her.”

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From Pennsylvania (ABC News):

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030306_1036.html

“A man accused of shaking to death his infant daughter, born after he failed to persuade the child's mother to get an abortion, has pleaded guilty to third-degree murder.”

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From Rhode Island:

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=7224671&BRD=1713&PAG=461&dept_id=24491&rfi=6

“His arrest ends a crusade by Detective Chip Devine, who learned on July 5 that Andrade repeatedly punched his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach after she refused to have an abortion, police allege.”

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From Kentucky:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/heraldleader/sports/5273418.htm

“Her refusal prompted Magloire to confront Gause, chase her around her parents' home, and drag her by her feet, telling her, "You will have an abortion if I have to take you there in your socks," says the suit, filed in Fayette Circuit Court.”

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I posted good news earlier - now here is the bad news.

[Aggie Mama]

Although I think these are extreme examples, I think there is quite a bit of pressure placed on women to abort an unplanned pregnancy. I think Patricia Heaton addresses this in her involvement in the pro-life movement.

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Perhaps, but lets clarify:

I don't think these examples are unusual - though like every freely chosen abortion (which is a choice to murder those less powerful) every attempt to force an abortion is extreme.

But not unusual: these are all sotries written in the past 2 weeks. That indicates this happens all the time. We know that most incidents do not get covered by any news outlet.

[nickcarraway]

ping

[Khepera]

Since women have "Choice" men should also have choice. If a woman chooses to keep a baby then men should be able to choose not to support it. The women would take responsibility for their "choice" and the man would not feel compelled to kill the child or its mother.

This would save so many lives it would be incredible. Until "Roe Vs. Wade" is overturned I don't see how a man can be held responsible for a woman's "Choice" It is HER "Choice" as they have told us over and over. So if said woman is so responsible as to make such a life and death choice then they should not be able to "Force" the man to take the responsibility. After all, it's his life too. In light of R v Wade how can the expect for men to be "Oppressed" by women in this way? It's an outrage, it's immoral, it's Oppression and a form of slavery. Either they overturn R v Wade or absolve men of the responsibility to care for the mother and child financially and/or emotionally.

[Salman]

Also not unusual: Middle class PARENTS bullying their pregnant unwed teenager into having an abortion.

I personally know of several cases.

[MHGinTN]

In ancient, less civilized times, a man could take his newborn child and toss it over a cliff or dash it into rocks, etc. doing a post birth termination of an unwanted child (for whatever reason). Our society and culture has regressed to this less civilized state, and now we are even on the verge of embracing cannibalism of individual human life as 'enlightened medical practice'. Our citizenry doesn't want to face these degenerations of our nation or our society. We are past redeeming this country from the thorough degeneracy accomplished in the last thirty plus years.

[Notwithstanding]

Exactly - another extreme and typical occurence in our society.

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So, do you agree, men do presume a post-coital right to a dead baby? Or are we not uite there yet?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Also not unusual: Middle class PARENTS bullying their pregnant unwed teenager into having an abortion.

I personally know of several cases.

So do I! There is a dangerous assumption that parents will seek to prevent an abortion once they find out about an underage/illegitimate pregnancy. It is frequently not true!

[Gophack]

Are any of us surprised?

Roe v. Wade has done the reverse of what the pro-abortion feminists claim they were seeking ... liberation. Women have become slaves, and men have become liberated ... liberated from feeling any responsibility for their actions.

It takes a man and a woman to conceive a child, and therefore that child IS the responsibility of both the man and the woman. Putting abortion aside for a moment, even before RvW men turned their back on their pregnant girlfriends. I happen to agree with the small, tiny portion of the so-called women's movement that sought to demand financial assistance from men who walked away. You can't force a man to love his child, but you can require that he help pay for the upbringing.

But today, post RvW, we have men who not only don't think that they should be financial responsible, but IF their girlfriend becomes pregnant, it's HER fault -- and SHE needs to take care of it.

I'm not man-bashing. There are many good men out there who do the "right thing" -- if not marriage, than support. There are many women out there who try and "trap" a man into marriage or support ... even claiming a child is theirs when it's not! And parents who get involved and browbeat their daughters into an abortion, or their son's girlfriends ... I'm sure there are many stories we've heard or personally know.

Anyway, none of these comments should surprise any of us. The weight of abortion rests solely on the woman's shoulders, and her heart. She bares the physical trauma; she bares the emotional pain. She can't talk to anyone about it because, after all, it's "HER CHOICE".

As pro-lifers, we must always work to protect the unborn from torture and death; at the SAME TIME, we need to work to love and help the mothers who keep their babies, as well as the ones who've aborted their children and feel sincere guilt for their actions. These women need our help, our compassion, our love, and to ask for God's forgiveness and mercy so they can get on with their lives and be whole again.

God bless.

[ffusco]

Abortion is not birth control, its the destruction of life. Contraceptives are cheap, plentiful and if used by both parties could avoid the neccessity of this immoral, irresponsible, disgusting , shameful practice.

[ArGee]

Although I think these are extreme examples, I think there is quite a bit of pressure placed on women to abort an unplanned pregnancy. I think Patricia Heaton addresses this in her involvement in the pro-life movement.

According to statistics at abortion alternative centers, 80% of women who come in abortion-minded are being pressured by either the child's father or the woman's father.

Her choice to kill her child? Riiiiiiiight!

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Since women have "Choice" men should also have choice.

Silly Khepera. It's not about "choice."

It's about power - always has been.

Shalom.

[Khepera]

Well in the name of equality men should have equal power especially when it comes to "Choice". Equal protection, under the law. Is that not what the 14th amendment is about?

Everyone should be demanding equality, especially here.

[SarahW]

You don't understand the law. Maintaining a pregnancy till birth and providing support after birth are two different issues, and the fact that women have unilateral rights on one does not cancel out the other.

The "unfairness" you complain of is the unfairness of mother nature choosing women as the bearers of children.

Men can never be pregnant, and they never bear any physical burden of pregnancy. Women have more control over what happens during pregnancy, because they own the body affected.

After birth, neither men nor women can unilaterally end obligations to the born and living child, (although a unique and stronger biological-based tie persists between mother and child.) Women can be forced to support their child, too.

The law considers a born and living child as a boon.

[Khepera]

A boon?

[SarahW]

That's even the word used.