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Bad news in the drug war America is waging a phony war on narcotics (O'REILLY FACTOR TRANSCRIPT)
THE O'REILLY FACTOR / VIA EMAIL | 2/21/2003 | THE O'REILLY FACTOR

Posted on 03/05/2003 11:24:49 AM PST by TLBSHOW

THE O'REILLY FACTOR February 21, 2003 FACTOR Follow-Up

O'REILLY: Thanks for staying with us. I'm Bill O'Reilly.

And, in THE FACTOR "Follow-Up" Segment tonight, bad news in the drug war.

The U.S. inexplicably did not destroy the poppy fields in Afghanistan, and the Bush administration has not moved the military to the borders to back up the Border Patrol as the patrol has requested.

Result: It is business as usual for drug dealers around the country, and some believe America is waging a phony war on narcotics.

Joining us now from Washington is Heidi Bonnett from the National Defense Council Foundation and, from Houston, Ron Housman, the assistant director of White House Drug Policy under President Clinton.

Ms. Bonnett, I read your letter in "USA Today," very impressed with it, that you were angry about the U.S. not getting -- eradicating the poppy fields in Afghanistan. Tell us about your opinion and why you formed it.

HEIDI BONNETT, NATIONAL DEFENSE COUNCIL FOUNDATION: Well, I formed this because, in the last year, the opium production in Afghanistan has reached almost record highs again. It's re-established itself as the number one opium producer in the world.

And, while we have pledged money to this, we aren't doing enough. We haven't been helping to eradicate the poppy crops, and that's mainly -- if we go in and we bomb, then they're going to come, and they're going to sprout somewhere else.

We need to start enforcing more a multifaceted program and step in and really assist the Karzai government because the Karzai government has been attempting do this, but they basically don't have the money or the...

O'REILLY: All right. Now why do you think -- since we control Afghanistan -- the U.S. controls Afghanistan militarily right now...

BONNETT: Yes.

O'REILLY: ... and it would not take more than a week to -- for us to bomb those fields, to destroy those fields, why do you think it hasn't happened?

BONNETT: I don't think we've had the will to do it. There...

O'REILLY: Why? Why? It's nar -- it's heroin we're talking about here.

BONNETT: Yes, it is.

O'REILLY: It's an enormously destructive substance that finds its way not only to the United States but to Europe and everywhere else.

BONNETT: Yes, it's gone all over the world. I think that, even if we bomb it, there are -- we -- it's just going to -- probably we think that it's just going to spring back up again in another location if we're not giving the farmers another option because if a farmer can receive about $6,000 for an acre of opium, what incentive do they have to go back to...

O'REILLY: All right. Now I don't mind buying them off either, and we haven't done that.

Mr. Housman, you know, you -- look, you know how the White House works. Why hasn't? Mr. Bush done this? Do you have any idea?

ROB HOUSMAN, FORMER DRUG CZAR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Well, I can only speculate to a degree, Bill, but I think one of the things that Ms. Bonnett just said is very important.

If we don't provide some way of following up on this and getting farmers some replacement crops, some other economic development for this country -- I think the Bush administration is really worried -- and I think this is a huge mistake -- that we'll take away their largest cash crop, and I -- as I said, that's a huge mistake of...

O'REILLY: We can't be doing that. I mean, this is insane. Do you know how much crime -- you -- Mr. Housman, you know above all else must -- 70 percent of all of the street crime in the United States is caused by drug-addicted people, and...

HOUSMAN: Bill, I...

O'REILLY: ... and, I mean, we're over there, and you're telling me we can't destroy those fields and pay off those farmers? Come on!

HOUSMAN: No, we should. No, absolutely. I totally agree with you, Bill. I think we need to show some will here, and I think we need to do just that. We need to eradicate these crops, and we need to provide crop replacement and buy the farmers off, get them on our side, because we're never going to stabilize this country.

We'll never make it a democracy unless we do just that because, you know, as I've said for many times -- and you and I have discussed this -- there is an insidious triangle trade now that exists between terrorism, drugs, weapons, and money...

O'REILLY: Sure. And we -- and the Bush administration...

HOUSMAN: ... and we should break that triangle.

O'REILLY: The Bush administration has probably spent more money advertising that triangle than they have eradicating anything. This is why I'm stunned. And I can't get a straight answer out of Walters, the drug czar, anybody else, all right, to tell me why.

But I think I know, and that's because they don't want these warlords in Afghanistan who control the narcotics trade to turn on the Karzai government. So they're saying -- they're saying you do what you want, you sell all of the dope you want, leave Karzai alone, and we'll let you do it.

Mr. Housman, I...

HOUSMAN: And...

O'REILLY: ... think that's what's going down there.

BONNETT: But that's not...

HOUSMAN: Absolutely. And it's a false choice.

BONNETT: That's not really helping the Karzai...

HOUSMAN: Exactly. It's a false choice, Bill, because they're never going to get stability, they'll never get democracy, and, as Ms. Bonnett was saying, you will not have a strong Karzai government if you keep up letting the warlords run drugs.

O'REILLY: Yes, but they...

HOUSMAN: It just doesn't work.

O'REILLY: Ms. Bonnett, I think that's what's going down here, is it not?

BONNETT: Yes, the warlords have a vested interest in keeping the government weak because, as long as the government is weak, they can't enforce their own policies. So long as the government...

O'REILLY: Right. So the deal has been cut.

BONNETT: Yes.

O'REILLY: You don't bother our troops -- U.S. troops, and you don't bother Karzai, and we'll let you sell all the opium and heroin you want. That's the deal. I think that's what's going on here. Nobody disagrees, right?

BONNETT: No.

O'REILLY: OK. Now let's go to Mexico. Tons and tons of narcotics coming across from Mexico every single day. The Bush administration won't put the troops on the border even though they now have a reason: national security after 9/11.

Ms. Bonnett, any idea?

BONNETT: I think we just really need the focus on building up the Border Patrol, giving the Customs...

O'REILLY: Not going to happen. Not going to do it. You can...

BONNETT: No, they're not going to.

O'REILLY: No. The Border Patrol itself admits it can't do it, needs the military.

BONNETT: Yes.

O'REILLY: Mr. Housman, any idea why we don't have the military down there?

HOUSMAN: Well, I think one reason is, right now, we have a law called the Posse Comitatus law that prevents the military...

O'REILLY: No, doesn't apply.

HOUSMAN: ... from being used...

O'REILLY: Mr. Housman, it doesn't apply. It does...

HOUSMAN: Well, Bill...

O'REILLY: The Posse Comitatus law only says the military can't make arrests. It does not say...

HOUSMAN: Exactly.

O'REILLY: ... they cannot back up the Border Patrol and inhibit. Now you worked under Clinton.

HOUSMAN: And I agree with you on that, Bill.

O'REILLY: Clinton would not do...

HOUSMAN: I agree with you on that.

O'REILLY: Clinton would not do it either. Why wouldn't President Clinton put troops on the border?

HOUSMAN: Well, I think there's a natural hesitancy to deploy the U.S. military at home, but I also think that we're seeing a shift.

I mean, our borders right now are our front lines in the war against terrorism, in the fight against drugs, and these are interrelated problems, and we need to look at more National Guard support for deploying those units in intelligence.

O'REILLY: But we're not.

HOUSMAN: Bill, I agree with you.

O'REILLY: What is it going to take?

HOUSMAN: We ought to be looking at that. Well, I -- sadly, I think one of the things it may take is another disaster, and I hope it doesn't...

O'REILLY: Yes.

HOUSMAN: ... come to that...

BONNETT: I...

HOUSMAN: ... but we need a strong border...

O'REILLY: You know what, both of you? We're living out six-million disasters every day because there are six-million Americans addicted to hard drugs, and every day those people go through many disasters in their own life.

Some of them hurt us. Some of them are just pathetic. Some of them sell their bodies. Some of them have AIDS. Every day, six-million disasters. Yet the United States government with all its power will not do anything to help get this drug thing under control.

It's disgraceful.

BONNETT: Right.

O'REILLY: Thanks very much, Ms. Bonnett, Mr. Housman. We appreciate it. Nice to see you both.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; decriminalize; legalize; poppy; thewodisevil; us; wodlist
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To: unspun; JmyBryan
Have you studied economics?

I've studied enough to know about elasticity and Giffen goods. Have you?

201 posted on 03/06/2003 12:36:12 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: cinFLA; TLBSHOW; A CA Guy; Cultural Jihad
Thank you cF.

FReepers, keep an eye out for the doings of the "legalize drugs" lords:

George Soros, John Sperling, Peter Lewis and George Zimmer.

Let's see if it is true that they want to be America's immoral, controling "Atlas," shrugging over the victims whose livlihoods they rake in.

Spread the word...

202 posted on 03/06/2003 12:38:23 PM PST by unspun ("Inalienable right to own hash, PCP, ricin, C4, smallpox & plutonium." - TOTALIBERTARIAN)
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To: jmc813
You are correct. And reality is not dennisw's hypothetical "legalize all drugs or ban all drugs" situation.

Then you are against legalizing cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, etal (excluding pot)? What about hashish?

203 posted on 03/06/2003 12:39:51 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
But that is the basic anti-WOD mantra. Legalize all drugs.

*sigh* You seem to think that those who oppose the War on Drugs must march in lockstep agreeing with each other on every single issue. This is certainly not the case.

Let's take MrLeroy for example. Nice guy, I enjoy reading his opinions and communicating with him, but our feeling on drug legalization are quite different. He believes all drugs should be legalized (and provides valid arguments for his views). I do not believe all drugs should be legalized, and I hope I provide valid arguments for my views. No offence to MrLeroy, but I would suspect a majority of anti-WOD FReepers would side closer with my opinion on this than his. Just a suspicion.

And the one central theme of your posts is the *WOD pings.

Usually other people bump the *wod list before I get to the article. You are probably mistaking that with my list of FR screen names I bump for WOD-related articles.

Allow me to explain this list. Myself and a few other FReepers inherited this list around last summer when the person originally maintaining it got banned. My intent is not for this list to be for solely anti-WOD FReepers or anti-WOD articles. There are many FReepers who support the WOD on the list including but not limited to: Dane, Cultural Jihad, Roscoe, A2J, and others. If you'd notice, I also ping the list to anti-drug articles, including one today about the dangers of methamphetamines. You're more than welcome to get onto WOD list if you'd like. Just let me know.
204 posted on 03/06/2003 12:40:29 PM PST by jmc813 (Trampled by lambs and pecked by the doves)
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To: cinFLA
The issue is that tpaine, MrLeRoy, etal. are just spouting the drug legalization mantra designed by Soros, Sperling, Lewis and Zimmer. A drug normallization strategy.
-cin-

Sheer, raving lunacy, totally unsupported by any facts.
205 posted on 03/06/2003 12:44:00 PM PST by tpaine
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To: MrLeRoy; JmyBryan
Elasticity as a trait, shows that demand almost increases with greater availability.

GIFFEN GOOD: A rare type of good seldom seen in the real world, in which a change in price causes quantity demanded to change in the same direction (in violation of the law of demand). In other words, an increase in the price of a Giffen good results in an increase in the quantity demanded. The existence of a Giffen good requires the existence of special circumstances. First, the good must be an inferior good. Second, the income effect triggered by a change in price must overwhelm the substitution effect. A Giffen good is most likely to result when the good is a significant share of the consumer's budget.
c/o www.amosweb.com

Does not apply.
206 posted on 03/06/2003 12:45:11 PM PST by unspun ("Inalienable right to own hash, PCP, ricin, C4, smallpox & plutonium." - TOTALIBERTARIAN)
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almost always increases
207 posted on 03/06/2003 12:47:07 PM PST by unspun ("Inalienable right to own hash, PCP, ricin, C4, smallpox & plutonium." - TOTALIBERTARIAN)
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To: cinFLA
It is YOUR side that is proposing a national police force, drug legalization, a new world order and total gun control.
143 -cin-


Utter madness. No basis in fact.
208 posted on 03/06/2003 12:48:43 PM PST by tpaine
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To: jmc813
You are probably mistaking that with my list of FR screen names I bump for WOD-related articles.

Agreed. My wife just came home for lunch and I my attention was distracted. However, you must realize that by being anti-WOD you are anti-suppression of hard drugs in society. If your position were only to legalize pot, then that should be your position.

209 posted on 03/06/2003 12:48:54 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: TLBSHOW
Looks like we need to bomb the poppy fields and put troops on the borders.
You will find the professional military to be about as enthusiastic about getting involved in the WOsD as they would be about enlisting openly gay tranvestite French mimes in the Special Forces.

-Eric

210 posted on 03/06/2003 12:52:44 PM PST by E Rocc
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To: tpaine
Utter madness. No basis in fact.

I had to click back on #143 just to see if cin really posted that. Unbelievable. They have no shame. But, what do you expect from a person who supports and organization that says its best for parents to lie to their kids about their past drug use?

211 posted on 03/06/2003 12:53:33 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: cinFLA
However, you must realize that by being anti-WOD you are anti-suppression of hard drugs in society.
You're falling victim to the statist fallacy that anything that is disapproved of must be banned by law. I know many people who don't approve of drug use that still oppose the WOsD, mostly because it does more harm than good.

-Eric

212 posted on 03/06/2003 12:55:39 PM PST by E Rocc
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To: tpaine
It is YOUR side that is proposing a national police force, drug legalization, a new world order and total gun control.
213 posted on 03/06/2003 12:56:04 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Are Tpaine and MrLeRoy one and the same?
146 -cin-

Positive proof you have lost your mind.
- There are plenty of people on this site from 5 years ago who have my real name, address, email, etc. - I have no idea who MrLeRoy is, nor do you.
214 posted on 03/06/2003 12:56:31 PM PST by tpaine
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To: cinFLA
Witless blather.
215 posted on 03/06/2003 12:58:17 PM PST by tpaine
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To: E Rocc
So what is your solution? Stop the WOD's? Can you offer no help but Stop the WOD's? I will not allow you to cop out so easily.
216 posted on 03/06/2003 12:58:25 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: unspun
Increased profit increases supply. Illegal profit increases criminal enterprise, hence unsavory characters in supply biz and those who create the culture for users.

Again, what you fail to understand is demand is already there (as well as the drugs) and has been throughout all of human history.

You will only stop people from drugging themselves by killing them. The only other choice is to promote responsible behavior by dealing with drug use in a straightforward manner. That is, using drugs is not the same as having a hard core addiction. This is not promoting drug use - it is informing what the costs and effects of drug use actually are.

From there, the large majority of thinking people will moderate their usage to conform with their beliefs and attitudes regarding what they want out of life - including abstention.

217 posted on 03/06/2003 1:00:04 PM PST by JmyBryan
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To: jmc813
*sigh* You seem to think that those who oppose the War on Drugs must march in lockstep agreeing with each other on every single issue. This is certainly not the case.

Yes, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

I'm not bashfull about my position, as I have stated it frequently.

I reject the notion that any level of government has the legitimate power to determine what individuals can ingest into their bodies, for accepting such a notion directly implies we are owned by government, and that governement has the untilmate say in the disposition of our lives. I argue that individual States(not cities, not counties, not "communities") have a legitimate power to regulate public use or sale of substances. The power to regulate does not include the power to prohibit possession or transportation, or the private use, manufacture or sale of such substances.

Others who are anti-WOD disagree. That's fine for now, as long as the common goal is to end the federal WOsD.

218 posted on 03/06/2003 1:02:51 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: jmc813
Let's take MrLeroy for example. Nice guy, I enjoy reading his opinions and communicating with him, but our feeling on drug legalization are quite different. He believes all drugs should be legalized

And my fight has been primarily with him and couple of others of the same ilk. Primarily since he starts so many "pro-drug" threads. You chose to pick up against me. I do not have time to research everyone before I reply to them since MrLeRoy and friends (*WOD) keep me quite busy. When one jumps on me out of nowhere and is anti-WoD, I lump him with MrLeRoy until I am told otherwise.

219 posted on 03/06/2003 1:03:26 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
However, you must realize that by being anti-WOD you are anti-suppression of hard drugs in society. If your position were only to legalize pot, then that should be your position.

For all intents and purposes, that is my position. However, as I have mentioned before, I think the Federal War on Drugs is largely unconstitutional, and I believe each state should dictate their own policies. If this were the case, I would have no problem whatsoever with my state (NJ) banning cocaine, LSD, heroin, etc.

I am also pro-life, and oppose Roe v. Wade not only on a moral basis, but a constitutional basis as well. I think each state should decide whether or not to allow abortion, the same way it was before Roe v. Wade. It is another example of where the Federal government simply should not be involved.
220 posted on 03/06/2003 1:03:36 PM PST by jmc813 (Trampled by lambs and pecked by the doves)
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