[Viva Le Dissention]

Well, you see, in America, we have this thing called a criminal justice system, and in this criminal justice system, we have a lot of standards, like that people are innocent until proven guilty, they have due process rights, etc.

Now, I know out current president likes to ignore a lot of these really inconvenient things when he wants to execute some people, but there are some of us that would really rather prefer that we were ever to get arrested, we wouldn't be tortured (even tortured "lite"--sleep deprivation is a very powerful tool) in order to extract a confession--after all, we've got to make sure we're killing the right fellow! A confession under torture is VERY effective for something like that.

We might as well just go ahead bring back the Star Chamber for our "war" on terrorism. I think that would make a lot of you folks happy.

[guitfiddlist]

Maybe we should contract the interrogations out to a cruel and murderous regime wonderfully exempt from liberal criticism, say like China. That would shut all YOU people up, until you backflip and come up with all the great excuses libs usually give for Communist regimes. "Well, like yaknow, they're like socially progressive n'sh*t. So torture is like ok. They're like torturing reactionaries, man."

[speedy]

Better get that flame-retardant suit out. Not much sympathy for Al-Qaeda -- not alleged Al-Qaeda, but obvious Al-Qaeda -- in these parts. There are lots of lives hanging in the balance with this guy.

[Dr. Frank fan]

Well, you see, in America, we have this thing called a criminal justice system, and in this criminal justice system, we have a lot of standards, like that people are innocent until proven guilty, they have due process rights, etc.

That's fascinating. What's it got to do with war?

Now, I know out current president likes to ignore a lot of these really inconvenient things when he wants to execute some people,

What a lie. Who's he "executed"? 1. You can't mention Texas because death row inmates in Texas were, technically, executed by juries down there. 2. You can't mention people killed overseas in war. (It's a war.)

but there are some of us that would really rather prefer that we were ever to get arrested, we wouldn't be tortured (even tortured "lite"--sleep deprivation is a very powerful tool) in order to extract a confession-

1. This guy isn't being "arrested" (except perhaps by Pakistani police for violating some Pakistan law). He's a wartime enemy. 2. The "torture lite", if that's what's being done, is not to extract a "confession", but to obtain information which could help future attacks.

I presume you are in favor of preventing future attacks.

A confession under torture is VERY effective for something like that. We might as well just go ahead bring back the Star Chamber for our "war" on terrorism. I think that would make a lot of you folks happy.

This may be partially due to the fact that you don't really understand what is going on here. We are at war. There are no quotation marks. And we don't care about this guy's "confession". We are at war and he is an enemy.

[habs4ever]

KSM is an enemy combatant and thus not eligible to the niceities of a system that dealt with John Wayne Gacy.He will be tried by a military tribunal and I can sorta bet that the evidence will prove him guilty and he will be hanged.So much for a Star Chamber.

The Romanians sure got over their qualms about swift and summary justice for Nikki Ceau and his lovely bride.No muss, no fuss, and no second thoughts.

You, though, should eat more prunes.

[LaraCroft]

Our 'current' president? Youre joking, aren't you.. please Dear God say youre joking?

You meant to say that the rat bastard Former President Clinton broke every rule there was for personal gain, didn't you? You meant to say that Clinton raped, stole, lied, theived and subjegated, didn't you?

Please, dear Lord, don't let there be people so stupid as to really authentically believe this....

[glf]

we are in a war not a criminal proceeding. when the nukes go off will you post the same bullshit ??

[ThinkDifferent]

in America, we have this thing called a criminal justice system

Which doesn't apply in this case. Khalid isn't an American citizen and this isn't a matter of criminal justice. He's entitled to no Constitutional protections, and while our basic humanity rightly precludes the use of "real" torture, I have no problem with methods like sleep deprivation.

[eno_]

From way up on your high horse you may not have noticed that many of us are strongly in favor of observing and strengthening limits on government power.

Outside the U.S., in a war where our opponents are dicing with human extinction through bioterror weapons, the rules are different.

Get it? In here, for our citizens, we have lots of protection. Out there, for terrorists, we have only a little protection. Can you grasp that?

[doug from upland]

Now, I know out current president likes to ignore a lot of these really inconvenient things when he wants to execute some people,

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Give us examples of those executed where our "current president" ignored really inconvenient things.