Michael Jackson Put 'Curse' on Spielberg-Magazine

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[per loin]

Do you always find solicitation and conspiracy to commit murder to be a subject of levity, or only when the perpetrators are black celebrities?

[jagrmeister]

I regret I did not choose my words carefully. I meant that these charges are so sensational that Vanity Fair needs solid proof to back them up. This goes beyond getting a quote from some guy in Switzerland a la The Enquirer. That is unless Vanity Fair wants to be considered in the same class as The Enquirer. I am skeptical that, even despite his eccentricities, that Jackson paid $150,000 for a "voodoo curse" to kill people whom he does not have a serious hatred for. He went through a "blood bath" as part of the ritual? He had a voodoo chief named Baba sacrifice 42 cows for him? I'm sorry, I'm just not buying that unless there is some serious proof. The Enquirer gets no-names to make bizarre claims and pays them handsomely for their time. That's all the Enquirer requires to try and convict people in their pages. There is no proof beyond these allegations. I am extremely cynical about this Vanity Fair piece, but they may prove me wrong. Part of this is my frustration with the media's ability to absolutely demonize someone. Jackson hasn't helped his cause, granted. But there are convicted murderers like Mumia Abu-Jamal who are held in higher esteem than Jackson. Once the media puts the bullseye on someone, the public is ready to believe anything and everything about them.

[ArcLight]

Huh? Why you bringing race into this?

[per loin]

Why are you not answering my question?

[per loin]

Here, from LawyerWare.com, is another specific citing of voodoo, and the statement that its factual impossibility is not a defense:

B. Factual Impossibility
1. Deals with the act.
2. No matter how hard the person tries, the crime can't be committed this way.
Trying to open a safe with a can opener
Using voodoo to kill someone
3. Not a defense.

[ArcLight]

Because, except to the mind of a bigot, your question makes precisely zero sense.

[per loin]

And this from the criminal law course at the Pitt: 1. Defenses to Attempt
1. Impossibility
1. factual impossibility is not a defense b/c D has manifested their dangerousness to society and should be punished
o HYPO - Recent immigrant makes a voodoo doll and should be punished for attempted murder even though it is a factual impossibility b/c when he realizes it won’t work he will try another method b/c he has the necessary intent to kill

[per loin]

I suggest that if there is bigotry here, it comes not from this side. Why do you attempt to laugh off these new accusations against the pedophile, Michael Jackson?

[ArcLight]

Actually, I found this conversation interesting and informative, until you injected race into it for no apparent reason. Unless you provide such a reason, the conversation is ending now.

[per loin]

Split and run if you must, or stand and defend your views. Perhaps you may learn something about yourself and the insidious nature of bigotry by staying. You have given no reasons for your attempts to laugh off the accusations against Jackson. I have repeatedly cited what I can find on the net about the invalidity of factual impossibility as a defense. You offer nothing against this but a jovial disregard for the seriousness of conspiracy to commit mass murder. How do you explain your stance?

[ET(end tyranny)]

Maybe he has warts. I did notice, during his latest infamous interview, that he had taped/bandaged fingers.

I wondered why. Spider bites?

Left his fingers too long in the porcelana fade creme?

Used too strong of a solution to disolve the left over super glue stuck to his fingers after re-attaching his nose?

Rotting from the inside out, and the extremities are the first to go?

Bit by some youngster that didn't want to play 'pull my finger'? (said with a high pitched voice and a giggle)

[SarahW]

Ahhh, that makes perfect sense.

[Aquinasfan]

I went to bed and didn't see your post on Oklahoma law. So in Oklahoma, you can be imprisoned for attempted murder if you hire a witch doctor...oooookay. Thanks for sharing. :-)

Good catch. But seriously, this is one of those cases in which "the law is a ass," as Dickens would say. I still can't imagine a jury bringing in a conviction.

Weird. What would be the penalty for hiring aliens to do the job? Seems like the same kind of thing.

[Aquinasfan]

B. Factual Impossibility
1. Deals with the act.
2. No matter how hard the person tries, the crime can't be committed this way.
Trying to open a safe with a can opener
Using voodoo to kill someone
3. Not a defense.

Wow. Are there any recent cases of convictions?

[Aquinasfan]

he will try another method b/c he has the necessary intent to kill

Makes sense, although it probably should read "may try..." Thanks for the info.

[ArcLight]

Actually, per loin did some homework earlier in this thread and showed that you really can be prosecuted for hiring a hitman who vows to use a method that can't possibly work. The intent of the person hiring the hitman is what matters. I scoffed at his argument, but he has backed it up with a mess of legal citations. Just goes to show, you learn something every day.

Alas, per loin then lowered the tone of the discussion by making a racial comment and he's now on my bad list. (Bet he's trembling in his boots over that! Chuckle! ) Still, up to that point, he'd done an excellent job of changing my mind. Read his earlier citations and see.

[per loin]

Excellent! Not always easy to admit that one ought change one's mind. As for the racial comment, I frequently challenge others to understand the "racial" premises from which they are thinking, particularly if those premises are fundamentally racist but generally considered acceptable. I reckon that's got me on many bad lists, and further reckon that you understand just how often I tremble over that. Cheers!

[ArcLight]

I don't at all mind changing my mind. On the voodoo matter you dug up some fascinating and surprising data. If you're right, you're right. No problem.

But there was absolutely no call to introduce race into the discussion. None. So give it a rest, okay?

[per loin]

Now that you've changed your mind, perhaps you also join me in amazement that there has been zero talk in the media of prosecuting Jackson for conspiracy to commit murder?

[Dante3]

Students have been punished for drawing a picture of a gun. This is supposed to have been a terrorist threat.