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U.S. General: Iraq Attack to Succeed Without Turkey
ABC News ^ | 3/3/03

Posted on 03/03/2003 8:21:34 AM PST by areafiftyone

STUTTGART, Germany (Reuters) - A top U.S. military official said on Monday a possible war in Iraq would be successful even without a northern front after the Turkish parliament blocked U.S. troops from deploying in Turkey.

"I don't think it's absolutely a showstopper in terms of whether you have a northern front or not," said Gen. James L. Jones, the Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, and the Commander of the United States European Command.

"We're going to be successful regardless of what we're limited to," he told a news conference at EUCOM headquarters in the southwestern German town of Stuttgart.

"But to have a presence in the northern part of Iraq -- we would definitely have an advantage, and they would have to pay more attention to the North."

In a setback to U.S. plans for a "northern front" against Iraq, and clouding President Bush's efforts to build international support for a potential war, Turkey's parliament on Saturday narrowly rejected a motion to allow as many as 62,000 U.S. troops to be deployed in Turkey.

The United States is consulting with Turkey on future steps after the decision, a U.S. official said on Sunday.

Jones said the U.S. military was waiting to see what would be accomplished on the issue through diplomatic channels.

"We will have to wait and see how the diplomatic dialogue resolves itself," he said.

The deployment would have been accompanied by a multibillion dollar U.S. aid package under a deal negotiated by the United States and the government of Prime Minister Abdullah Gul.

Jones said current plans to evaluate the U.S. military's base structure in Europe were still at the conception stage, but any base movements would not be connected to differences of opinion between Germany and the United States over Iraq.

"There's no list out there of what might be closed," said Jones, who assumed his current position in January.

European media reports have suggested recently that the United States was considering closing some German bases to "punish" Berlin for its anti-war stance, but Washington has denied any such motivation.

Jones declined to comment on which countries could be possible new homes for U.S. bases. But he said he has asked for a meeting with Russian colleagues to discuss the possibility of stationing troops in Eastern Europe.

The U.S. military was faced with the new challenge of protecting its bases in Germany when forces are deployed elsewhere, Jones said.

"We know that terrorists can strike anywhere," he said. "Force protection is very, very much part and parcel of anything that we do."

Germany currently has 950 soldiers protecting U.S. military bases in the country, where 70,000 of the nearly 110,000 U.S. troops in Europe are stationed. Jones said the U.S. military was grateful for Germany's assistance.


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1 posted on 03/03/2003 8:21:34 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Germany currently has 950 soldiers protecting U.S. military bases in the country, where 70,000 of the nearly 110,000 U.S. troops in Europe are stationed.

I'd like to see some "revised" numbers a year from now...

2 posted on 03/03/2003 8:23:41 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: areafiftyone
There will still be a presence in Northern Iraq. We have at least 2 upgraded runways in the Kurdish area and we can airdrop troops and some light equipment.

It won't be a heavy force, but then again, since the Iraqi's seem to be moving a heavy division further south that may not be much of a problem.

3 posted on 03/03/2003 8:26:21 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: areafiftyone
"We will have to wait and see how the diplomatic dialogue resolves itself,"

That pretty much sums up the entire Iraq episode from beginning to end. And it's why we've had so many slips and stumbles. It's time (past time, actually) to change the equation, change the facts on the ground. Pursuing the diplomatic front is fighting on ground of the enemy's choosing.

4 posted on 03/03/2003 8:27:22 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (HHE)
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To: areafiftyone
The information dumps at this point are all carefully scripted and released. We are in the foggy stage of this action.

5 posted on 03/03/2003 8:30:58 AM PST by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support Our Soldiers 100%)
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To: areafiftyone
I won't be surprised if after the attack we are told that a special secret USA force was allowed to attack Iraq from Turkey.
6 posted on 03/03/2003 8:32:10 AM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: areafiftyone
In a setback to U.S. plans for a "northern front" against Iraq, and clouding President Bush's efforts to build international support for a potential war, Turkey's parliament on Saturday narrowly rejected a motion to allow as many as 62,000 U.S. troops to be deployed in Turkey.

Actually, it was narrowly passed, then rejected by the leader of the Parliament. Small difference, but then again, I'm not the "reporter"...

7 posted on 03/03/2003 8:32:42 AM PST by SunStar (Democrats Piss Me Off !!)
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To: areafiftyone
Here's what I would love to see happen. Of course, it won't...

TURKEY to US (after seeing the effect on their economy): We made a mistake on Saturday. We would be glad to host your troops for your offer of $30 billion...

US to TURKEY: Glad to hear it. We'll give you $5 billion.


8 posted on 03/03/2003 8:33:15 AM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: areafiftyone
Turkey's refusal to help us causes another major problem. While we were concerned about Turkey's good will, the issue of the Kurds was pretty well closed. Now, that the Turk's have made it clear that they will not help, we have to be concerned about freeing and then, governing occupied Kurdistan. The Turk's won't like how it turns out but, what do we care.

There are 30 million Kurds in parts of Turkey, Iran, and Iraq. Cobbling them into a viable country will be difficult but is now on the list where, before Turkey backed out, it wasn't. "FREE OCCUPIED KURDISTAN!!"

9 posted on 03/03/2003 8:34:02 AM PST by Tacis
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To: maquiladora
Makes one wonder, don't it? Could this all be a setup? With the strange circumstances surrounding the vote in the Turkish Parliament, is it possible that this is all an elaborate ruse organized by the US and Turkey to confuse and handicap the enemy?
10 posted on 03/03/2003 8:34:31 AM PST by jayef
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Eaprecially when the enemy turns out to be a putative ally who now is shedding crock tears about saving American boys from death and dismemberment. France dragged out the discusion on 1141 for seven weeks and since then has done everything in her power to keep it from being enforced. And why not: her real ally is Saddam Hussein.
11 posted on 03/03/2003 8:39:19 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: maquiladora
I don't see why it needs to be heavy. The air power we'll have will work in the north the same way it worked in Afghanistan. The Kurds and the US special forces and light infantry should be able to handle even heavy Iraqi units. TOWs and Javelins will wreak havoc on Saddam's old tanks if they are dumb enough to fight, to say nothing of Apaches, AC-130's and A-10's.
12 posted on 03/03/2003 8:40:17 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Kick France out of the UN NOW. Get the US out of Germany. Freedom is the ultimate force multiplier)
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To: areafiftyone
He will die a proper "Martyr's death" is U.S. custody. After a lot of psychological torture with the help of many truth-inducing drugs. In the end, at the very least, he will be stood in a line with other terrorists. Against a deeply pitted stone wall. He will never see his '72 virgins in Paradise.' Not a single one.
13 posted on 03/03/2003 8:42:21 AM PST by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: COBOL2Java
Actually - what I would love to hear is:

US: Talk to the Hand cause the ears ain't listening! Buh Bye!
14 posted on 03/03/2003 8:42:57 AM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: areafiftyone
"Turkey? We don't need no steenkin' Turkey!"
15 posted on 03/03/2003 8:43:52 AM PST by mhking (It's five minutes to midnight. Have you dug YOUR trench yet?)
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To: areafiftyone
Winning in Iraq should not really be a puzzle. The problem is that a supposed ally is making our work tougher for us, which means more lives lost on both sides.

The real worry is what the terrorists will do in response, and whether the US is ready for that kind of ugliness, either towards our troops there, or even here at home... are we ready politically, emotionally, and psychologically? (I'd guess no on all three counts.)

16 posted on 03/03/2003 8:44:28 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: areafiftyone
Of course an attack on Iraq can succeed without Turkey....plus, it'll save American $$$ and we won't have to worry so much about a massacre of Iraqi Kurds.

On a side note: Is anyone else getting sick and tired of the State Department constantly being blamed for the actions of others? First, the Bush administration is blamed for the irrational greed of Jaques and Gerhardt. Then some publications took a stab at digging up some blame for Colin Powell's failure to convince the leaders of terrorist enabling or appeasing nations in the Security Council of the need to forcably disarm Saddam, though they really had to stretch the limits of imagination. And THEN it's the Bush administration's fault a Canadian MP publically called Americans 'b@stards' whom she hates. Now State's being blamed for the Turkish parlaiment's apparent cutting off of it's financial nose to appease the radicals.

SHEESH.

17 posted on 03/03/2003 8:45:33 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: jayef
Costs a lot of money and effort to load up and move 25/30 huge roll on / roll off cargo ships, and could we really depend on a whole diverse range of Turkish politicians from various parties to give us a staged result?
Nah, I think it's a setback alright, but that one that we haven't made a Plan-B for.

I wouldn't get to worried about this, and beside, Turkey may have another vote on this and it may get passed.

Who knows.

19 posted on 03/03/2003 8:47:04 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: areafiftyone
"State warmly embraced the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution (backed by Tehran) and went out of its way to keep Saudi Arabia happy, but then they decided to screw our ally," complains a Defense Department official.
20 posted on 03/03/2003 8:49:08 AM PST by a_Turk
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