Posted on 03/03/2003 2:46:58 AM PST by HAL9000
The pope wants to go in front of UNO if its message with Bush does not stop the war
Jean Paul II will ask to address personally to the Security Council of the United Nations if its message with the American president George W Bush does not convince it to give up a war against Iraq, learned Monday the AFP from diplomatic source vaticane.L' possibility of a direct address of the pope in the United Nations was evoked during the maintenance of the pope with the secretary-general of UNO, Kofi Annan, there are two weeks in the Vatican, one added of the same source.Le cardinal Pio Laghi left Rome Monday morning for Washington carrying a message of peace as it must give to the American president. The cardinal, old apostolic nuncio (ambassador) in Washington and friend of the Bush family, hopes to be received mercredi.Une delegation of American religious leaders forwarded last week to Jean Paul II a letter wishing that the head of the catholic Church go to ONU."Il is allocated only to the pope himself to make such a decision ", commented on Sunday on a chain of television the archbishop Renato Martino, old observant of the Holy See at the United Nations and current president of the pontifical Council for justice and the peace, which had been charged to transmit to the missive.Si the pope, had tired and old of almost 82 years, had he could benefit from it to go to request in Ground Zero, affirms one diplomatic source vaticane.Ce gesture would be very appreciated by all the Americans, adds one. He had been considered last August at the time of the voyage of the pope in Canada for the world Days of Jeunesse.Dans diplomatic circles of the Holy See, one estimates that the parallel actions and concommitantes of the pope on the two protagonists of the crisis, Iraq and the United States, represent a significant chance so that a war is evité.Le Iraqi president Saddam Hussein should take account of the risk to be relatively insulated in the Arab world if he made the deaf person ear with a call to order of the Arab League, even observes one of the same source.De, underlines one, president Bush, of methodist confession, should not receive from one who asked nearly a billion and half of Christians of the whole world to fast for peace Wednesday. This fast is also preached by the World Council of Churches of Geneva where Protestant Eglises and orthodoxes.En sit reiterating Sunday its call to all the Christians, the pope confirmed his determination with all to try for the paix."Sans to go in front of the difficulties, it is necessary to look for and traverse all the possible ways to avoid the war, which always brings with it serious mournings and consequences for everyone ", he launched to the thousands of brought together pilgrims Saint-Pierre place under the eye of the cameras of télévision.Le cardinal Laghi will make any possible sound to convince president Bush that a unilateral attack except UNO against Iraq is a "crime against peace", Foreign Minister of the pope, Mgr Jean Louis Tauran.
As I understand, Baghdad regime could be supportive of secular left wing radical/terrorist organisations like some factions of Palestinian movement or in Lebanon. But Saudi/Wahhabi terrorists like those in Chechnya or around Bin Laden are rather hostile to Saddam Hussein. (US went to Kuweit to protect Kuweitis and Saudis from secular BAATHists). Same with Shiite radicals like Hezbollah - they are Iran related. (Iraq and Iran waged long and bloody war).
You see, there are very different parties in the Middle East and you cannot throw them all in one bag. Same as you cannot put European conservatives, social-democrats, communists and fascists into one category.
Interestingly enough in the last war in Yugoslavia - Saudies were supportive (together with most of NATO) toward KLA. Iran had/has its Shiite clients in Bosnia while socialist Baghdad gave support to socialist Belgrade.
Don't flatter yourself, Beck. You're no 'pragmatic realist.'
You're a no-hoper, who's too up himself to give credit and respect where it has been clearly earned. The poster A. Pole has shown you just how important JPII was in the fight against communism, but you and Robert still bluster on. The props have been kicked out from under your BS, but you shrug it off, somehow thinking that vehemence can substitute for fact. How liberal an attitude is that?
What a load of unadulterated crap.
It really has been a sad meltdown, the way you have thrown away the respect you once had here by pushing this kind of nuttiness, Bob.
only folks with an agenda deny the connection.
You choose the idiocy of this last papal blunder over the reality of worldwide islamic terrorism. You have that right. I honor that... but think you would be better off to go jump in the lake... because you are wrong.
and byron:
I HAVE never had any credibilty here.. so losing what I do not have, is rather painless. You think much like pole... and that is just fine. ALL islamofascists are in bed together whether you choose to play the ostrich or the eagle... and the pope has kissed up to the evil doers of islam WAY too much for MY Personal taste.... I do not take your ranting personally. Glad you care enough to argue...
BUT YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.. and will deny it, EVEN AFTER we have proof of the money transfers to the 9-11 perpetrators from Sadaams regime.
When it comes out that money and technology were used from IRAQ AND IRAN to bomb our buildings... YOU will say it is manufactured evidence... you probably believe the jews and the cia did 9-11, just to start this war with Islam, or some such drivel as well... you are wrong if you think that as well.
I am sorry you both seem to depricate the value of Jewish victims of terrorists paid by sadaam, osami and iran... and wahhibis out of sa are part and parcel of that same gigantic BAG of islamofascism. THat you cannot see that, I do not understand... maybe its' those rose-coloured glasses of yours.
and don't take it personally... because I don't. I really BELIEVE that you are seriously deluded ON THIS MATTER... just as you do me...
Well, clearly you can. Sigh.
I am sorry you both seem to depricate the value of Jewish victims of terrorists paid by sadaam, osami and iran... and wahhibis out of sa are part and parcel of that same gigantic BAG of islamofascism. THat you cannot see that, I do not understand... maybe its' those rose-coloured glasses of yours.
It seems to me that you think with your emotions. You have a special place in your heart reserved for all Middle Eastern villains and so you see them as one big bag of "islamofascism". But this is not the way to conduct policy or to win or to understand what is going on.
There are many theories about who killed JFK - maybe Mafia, maybe Castro, maybe men from military-industrial complex, etc ... It could be anybody but to insist that all the usual suspects needed to plot the murder together is not sensible, even if it is very satisfying.
and don't take it personally... because I don't. I really BELIEVE that you are seriously deluded ON THIS MATTER... just as you do me.
Do not worry, I also do not take it personally.
Isn't the pope supposed to have threatened to go to Poland and stand with the Poles if the Soviets invaded in the early 80s? He's no anti-American or appeaser. He's widely credited with being the force - along with Reagan and Thatcher -- that brought down Soviet Communism and the Soviet Empire in Eastern Europe.
Maybe the pope remembers that CONTAINMENT destroyed the Soviets. We didn't invade them - - the way freepers want Iraq invaded - - but we defeated them through military pressure. Was Reagan a "surrender monkey appeaser" because he didn't invade the Soviet Union? The pope may see more clearly than folks here that disarming Iraq through military pressure should be tried before invading a country that hasn't attacked us.
ALSO, REMEMBER THAT THE POPE WAS SHOT BY A MIDDLE-EASTERN TERRORIST BEFORE YOU START SAYING HE'S AN APPEASER OR KNOWS NOTHING OF TERRORISM OUT OF THAT REGION!!!!!!!!!
If not, why aren't you calling for an invasion of North Korea - - - Is Bush a surrender monkey for not invading North Korea? I don't think so. I also think you can oppose invading Iraq without being a surrender monkey.
The double standard of freepers on this question is amazing.
Excuse me? If this degenerates into a mid-eastern conflagration, or Saddam lobs missiles at Israel - Israel will "benefit"?
You sound like Buchanan who says we're fighting this war for Israel. Bush hasn't said that. One can favor containment of Iraq without being an antisemite, just as one can favor containment of North Korea (as opposed to invasion) without being racist against, say, the Japanese (ie neighbors who might gaine if North Korea were liberated).
That's anti-catholic propaganda. Why were priests and nuns thrown in concentration camps, if the church was friendly to Hitler? Why did Golda Meir thank the church? Why did the chief rabbi of Rome convert to Roman Catholicism in thanks?
That's anti-catholic propaganda.
Neville Chamberlain did not control Hitler. Is that anti-Catholic propaganda or is that a fact?
Nobody controlled Hitler. We, the United States, had to destroy him. My point is that a speech by the Pope will not control Saddam either. Whatever he says, however good a man he is, however much truth his Church contains, it is not a worldly instrument that can control megalomaniac dictators bent on using WMD.
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