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..I shall be part of the pragmatic realists who say the Pope and Catholic Church is nothing more than a bunch of dirty old men who have a political agenda which favors the Eurocrap...

Don't flatter yourself, Beck. You're no 'pragmatic realist.'

You're a no-hoper, who's too up himself to give credit and respect where it has been clearly earned. The poster A. Pole has shown you just how important JPII was in the fight against communism, but you and Robert still bluster on. The props have been kicked out from under your BS, but you shrug it off, somehow thinking that vehemence can substitute for fact. How liberal an attitude is that?

Let me get this straight, you think JPII was more important than Ronald Reagan? So what part do you play at Fantasyland at Disneyland? The teacup? Pope John Paul II was a great advocate for the POLISH freedom movement during the Cold War. How many speeches did you hear for oh, Romania? I don't recall any. If you do, link it. Liberal? Hardly. If you wish to support a church which condones the rape of minors, that's your business. It speaks volumes about the character of people who will not speak out about child abuse when it needs to be said. By protecting the priests and leadership in America AND by meeting with Aziz from Iraq, the Catholic Church has indicated the liberal wing of the church is in charge. I'm sure you won't deny an obvious fact like that. Or are you ready to advocate public lynchings and the Inquisition to be re-instituted to restore the glory of a corrupt institution?