Posted on 03/03/2003 2:46:58 AM PST by HAL9000
The pope wants to go in front of UNO if its message with Bush does not stop the war
Jean Paul II will ask to address personally to the Security Council of the United Nations if its message with the American president George W Bush does not convince it to give up a war against Iraq, learned Monday the AFP from diplomatic source vaticane.L' possibility of a direct address of the pope in the United Nations was evoked during the maintenance of the pope with the secretary-general of UNO, Kofi Annan, there are two weeks in the Vatican, one added of the same source.Le cardinal Pio Laghi left Rome Monday morning for Washington carrying a message of peace as it must give to the American president. The cardinal, old apostolic nuncio (ambassador) in Washington and friend of the Bush family, hopes to be received mercredi.Une delegation of American religious leaders forwarded last week to Jean Paul II a letter wishing that the head of the catholic Church go to ONU."Il is allocated only to the pope himself to make such a decision ", commented on Sunday on a chain of television the archbishop Renato Martino, old observant of the Holy See at the United Nations and current president of the pontifical Council for justice and the peace, which had been charged to transmit to the missive.Si the pope, had tired and old of almost 82 years, had he could benefit from it to go to request in Ground Zero, affirms one diplomatic source vaticane.Ce gesture would be very appreciated by all the Americans, adds one. He had been considered last August at the time of the voyage of the pope in Canada for the world Days of Jeunesse.Dans diplomatic circles of the Holy See, one estimates that the parallel actions and concommitantes of the pope on the two protagonists of the crisis, Iraq and the United States, represent a significant chance so that a war is evité.Le Iraqi president Saddam Hussein should take account of the risk to be relatively insulated in the Arab world if he made the deaf person ear with a call to order of the Arab League, even observes one of the same source.De, underlines one, president Bush, of methodist confession, should not receive from one who asked nearly a billion and half of Christians of the whole world to fast for peace Wednesday. This fast is also preached by the World Council of Churches of Geneva where Protestant Eglises and orthodoxes.En sit reiterating Sunday its call to all the Christians, the pope confirmed his determination with all to try for the paix."Sans to go in front of the difficulties, it is necessary to look for and traverse all the possible ways to avoid the war, which always brings with it serious mournings and consequences for everyone ", he launched to the thousands of brought together pilgrims Saint-Pierre place under the eye of the cameras of télévision.Le cardinal Laghi will make any possible sound to convince president Bush that a unilateral attack except UNO against Iraq is a "crime against peace", Foreign Minister of the pope, Mgr Jean Louis Tauran.
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Had to go back 300+ years for some Catholic-bashing quotes, did you?
BA: "Time and again, eh? Give us four or five examples, then."...
I note that neither you, Patricia Ruth or any other Freeper are able to come up with one single sentence showing the Pope is 'anti-American', Robert. His concern over the sufferings of the Palestinians won't cut it. Why don't you quit while you're behind?
It he goes to see Bush, I would make him stand in the snow barefoot for three days....
Hey, 'Scholar Warrior', where do I start? With your spelling, your grammar, or your 'logic'?
Sheesh.
He 'got along so well with his Communist masters', that they sent a Bulgarian agent to shoot him.
A transparently malicious lie.
Creeps like you are to the First Amendment what John Hinckley Jnr was to the Second, mate.
So, what's happened to him relative to the evil we face now, in that he otherwise seems to find the UN a moral agent?
I am not sure what you mean by "underground activity". Opposition in Poland was in the open by design. Only "secret" things were locations of the printing equipment or samizdat.
Cardinal Wojtyla was very supportive toward opposition and made many decisions/acts defying Communist government. For example, when Communists refused to permit the religious/patriotic procession in his city, he ordered faithful to go ahead anyway. This made a great impression and authorities were intimidated and did nothing.
He encouraged free intelectual or political activity under the umbrella of the Church. He acted countless number of times in support of truth and freedom. When he got elected Pope many people in oposition were regretful that they will lose his input. Yet he continued to provide help from abroad as well.
The Popes never relied or quoted Holy Bible, they were always arrogant, corrupt, seeking earthly power to justified their earthly not divine causes, thats why Martin Luter got pissed with the Popes crap and started Reformation, which lifted christians on the higher level of ethics, morality, work ethics, amd spawned an enviroment in which further creators of Americam Constitution could created the awsome Unated States Of America.
Thats a kind of a shortcut, bur also a bottom line.
Is it something new? Did Luther or Calvin had a higher opinion?
JP was wise to position himself on OUR side... but he was NOT the backbone or the muscle of the operation... in my view. If it makes YOU feel better as a Catholic to believe that JP was the big hero... more power to you. But, it sounds rather ridiculous...
The "I will not support a war" JP... demanding to gorby... "MR. GORBYCHAFFF, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL..." and then a shake of Peter's staff... didn't actually happen.
In fact, it seems out of character for anything I have seen the pontiff do publicly, EVER. He does seem willing to side with the Russians and the FRENCH to keep us from killing off the mastermind and financial backer of 9-11 and a HOST of other worldwide atrocities... particularly the paid murdering of Jews in Israel... SADAAM INSANE... you are welcome to your opinion Byron... and it IS appreciated, but many of us, even loyal Catholics do NOT agree. JP is wrong with this decision if it is what is being touted to be. WRONG... and he needs to get his OWN house in order, before he starts lecturing us morally on ours. IF the vatican is a nation, with representation in the UN... then it needs to get it's own house in order... and to MANY MANY folks, Catholics included... the house of vaticus is in a high level of disorder.
The speck in america's eye... not as critical as the LOG in rome's, to many catholics.
I do not think that he tried to "position himself" on any side with the exception of his Church and his country.
Maybe because he is not aware of such connection?
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