Pope John Paul II may ask to personally address UN Security Council to stop Iraq war

AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | March 3, 2003

[HAL9000]

The pope wants to go in front of UNO if its message with Bush does not stop the war

Jean Paul II will ask to address personally to the Security Council of the United Nations if its message with the American president George W Bush does not convince it to give up a war against Iraq, learned Monday the AFP from diplomatic source vaticane.L' possibility of a direct address of the pope in the United Nations was evoked during the maintenance of the pope with the secretary-general of UNO, Kofi Annan, there are two weeks in the Vatican, one added of the same source.Le cardinal Pio Laghi left Rome Monday morning for Washington carrying a message of peace as it must give to the American president. The cardinal, old apostolic nuncio (ambassador) in Washington and friend of the Bush family, hopes to be received mercredi.Une delegation of American religious leaders forwarded last week to Jean Paul II a letter wishing that the head of the catholic Church go to ONU."Il is allocated only to the pope himself to make such a decision ", commented on Sunday on a chain of television the archbishop Renato Martino, old observant of the Holy See at the United Nations and current president of the pontifical Council for justice and the peace, which had been charged to transmit to the missive.Si the pope, had tired and old of almost 82 years, had he could benefit from it to go to request in Ground Zero, affirms one diplomatic source vaticane.Ce gesture would be very appreciated by all the Americans, adds one. He had been considered last August at the time of the voyage of the pope in Canada for the world Days of Jeunesse.Dans diplomatic circles of the Holy See, one estimates that the parallel actions and concommitantes of the pope on the two protagonists of the crisis, Iraq and the United States, represent a significant chance so that a war is evité.Le Iraqi president Saddam Hussein should take account of the risk to be relatively insulated in the Arab world if he made the deaf person ear with a call to order of the Arab League, even observes one of the same source.De, underlines one, president Bush, of methodist confession, should not receive from one who asked nearly a billion and half of Christians of the whole world to fast for peace Wednesday. This fast is also preached by the World Council of Churches of Geneva where Protestant Eglises and orthodoxes.En sit reiterating Sunday its call to all the Christians, the pope confirmed his determination with all to try for the paix."Sans to go in front of the difficulties, it is necessary to look for and traverse all the possible ways to avoid the war, which always brings with it serious mournings and consequences for everyone ", he launched to the thousands of brought together pilgrims Saint-Pierre place under the eye of the cameras of télévision.Le cardinal Laghi will make any possible sound to convince president Bush that a unilateral attack except UNO against Iraq is a "crime against peace", Foreign Minister of the pope, Mgr Jean Louis Tauran.

[BlessedBeGod]

What's anti-catholic about stating some facts about the failures of the church?

There's absoluely nothing wrong with stating some facts about the failures of the Church. Catholic FReepers have done so for over a year now in regards to the priest scandal, both in this and the Religion forums. It was the inflammatory, troll-like manner in which it was said that was objectionable.

[onedoug]

Pacifism facilitates evil.

[Notwithstanding]

amen

[Notwithstanding]

Your statement means nothing. It is true and false.

Sometimes, pacifism does facilitate evil - as does a bellicose attitude.

Sometimes, pacifism prevents evil - as does a bellicose atitude.

Often, we will never know exactly what either posture actually facilitats or prevents, thus such mindless sloganeerign is no better than the mindless sloganeering of the leftish ones ("give peace a chance" "make love not war" etc.)

[Just mythoughts]

Whoa -- Caught my attention Wilsonian speech.

Got any specifics?
Didn't see the other thread.

So who is the "Colonel House" of the Bush administration?

[onedoug]

I disagree. Pacificism may prevent evil if one is dealing with decency to begin with, such as Ghandi with the British, or the efforts of Martin Luther King, by which right and good prevailed essentially because the outreach was to a people who are predominantly good, i.e., Americans.

Otherwise, pacifism facilitates evil.

[RnMomof7]

But I am compelled to point out that there may be a higher purpose in this, IMHO, "wrong" decision of the Vatican.
The terrorists, both Osama, the Iranian clerics, and Iraq's none-too-religious Hussein... all want the arab world to see this as a Holy War
....But how can he spin it to the Muslim world that Christians are waging a Holy War on them instead of the other way around, if the single largest Christian entity they know opposes America's policy? .

This point was made on another thread to me and I believe it is valid. As most know I am no defender of the Pope ..but I agree that in this time the Pope does give "cover" to the war even if he does not mean to

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

[Happy2BMe]

The Pope Kissing The Qu'ran

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Here is a photo of the Pope at the end of an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq where "the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book the Qu'ran presented to him by the delegation and kissed it as a sign of respect".

[A. Pole]

The Assyrians still speak the language of Jesus, and follow the way of the cross, despite centuries of persecution. The strength of their faith should be a humbling example to us all in the West.

Come on. Everyone knows that the original Bible was King James. And even ancient Romans said "Ex Occidente Lux" (Light Comes From the West).

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

...So who is the "Colonel House" of the Bush administration?...

You must be the "near occassion of sin" we're always taught to avoid!!!

[Notwithstanding]

Thank you. You have acknowledged my point (that your blanket statement was meaningless)!

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

full text of Bush speech in italics interspersed with commentary from great conservatives here

Or you can find the speech on the American Enterprise Institute web page....

[onedoug]

Fine defense of your principle, whatever it is.

[HighRoadToChina]

What ticks me really off is that the Catholic Church is considering recognizing Communist China in lieu of Free Taiwan.

Now the Pope is going to stop the liberation of Iraq and the freeing of millions of Iraqis from the boot this mass murderer and torturer?

They can't even get their act together on stopping the wolf0s in sheeps clothing rom molesting innocent boys and girls.

It's time for new leadership at the Vatican.

[HighRoadToChina]

My friend, you hit the nail on the provobial head. Pacifism only works in the West where there is some decency and values left, not by much. Ghandhi would have been killed right away if he did what he did in Communist China or the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Pope does give "cover" to the war

Thanks. Interesting angle.

Time will tell how far this Pope takes his appeal for peace.

[Notwithstanding]

Repeat:

Sometimes, pacifism does facilitate evil - as does a bellicose attitude.

Sometimes, pacifism prevents evil - as does a bellicose atitude.

[onedoug]

"Sometimes, pacifism prevents evil..."

Unless one is dealing with decency to begin with, how?

[Byron_the_Aussie]

>...I don't recall the Pope saying word one of prayer for all of the women and children being raped, experimented on with biological and chemcial weapons, having limbs cut off without regard or shot without trial...

Oh.

You're privy to the Pope's prayers, are you?

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...if the Pope is such a warrior against communism, why is he siding with the UN, a blatant attempt at a one world communist government which desires to dictate economic and personal behavior to all member nations?...

I have no idea. But given that he is a towering, almost unique figure, in the history of the war of the citizen vs. the state, he may well have a very good reason. I suggest we explore that likelihood, before going into auto-attack-dog mode.