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Acting out - Hollywood antiwar sentiment is loud and clear. And so is the opposition
Philly.com ^ | February 20, 2003 | By Beth Gillin

Posted on 02/28/2003 11:18:02 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

Posted on Thu, Feb. 20, 2003 story:PUB_DESC
Acting out
Hollywood antiwar sentiment is loud and clear. And so is the opposition.

Inquirer Staff Writer

Martin Sheen and James Cromwell turned out for Saturday's protest on Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles. Celebrities do affect public opinion, media experts say.
Martin Sheen and James Cromwell turned out for Saturday's protest on Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles. Celebrities do affect public opinion, media experts say.

It's the largest outpouring of star-powered anti-war sentiment since the Vietnam War.

Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Jessica Lange, Spike Lee, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Martin Scorsese, Sean Penn, Robert Redford, Dustin Hoffman, Ossie Davis, Robert Altman.

Some of the country's biggest stars are loudly against invading Iraq.

Edward Norton, Tyne Daly, Danny Glover, Rob Reiner, Penelope Cruz, Alec Baldwin, Mike Farrell, Janeane Garofalo, Woody Harrelson and Rosario Dawson.

The list goes on.

They're marching and speechifying, signing petitions and making commercials to rally opposition against Gulf War Two: Return to Iraq.

Not everyone is impressed.

"If Washington is a Hollywood for ugly people, Hollywood is a Washington for the simpleminded," cracked maverick U.S. Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.).

Nevertheless, people are listening. "Celebrities have credibility with the general public," said Dennis Broe, a professor of film, media and television history at Long Island University. "As they raise the profile of the opposition, it hurts the president."

"They definitely influence opinion," agreed Paul Levinson, chairman of communications and media studies at Fordham University. "There's even a term for it in propaganda: false association, or appeal to false authority."

What this means, he said, is that a person admired as an authority on moviemaking or acting is easily accepted as an authority on politics as well.

The current rage for Five-Minute Ordinary People Celebrities hasn't dimmed the power of Hollywood stars by so much as a watt, Levinson said.

"Joe Millionaire is still an average Joe. He lacks the clout of a star whose work we've admired over and over on the screen."

But can they stop the war? So far, the Hollywood Left has managed to seriously annoy some in the American Middle.

By yesterday afternoon, 30,531 people had logged on to www.ipetitions.com to sign an online petition called "Citizens Against Celebrity 'Pundits.' "

The petition protests movie- star marchers "using their celebrity to interfere with the defense of our country."

Accompanying many signatures are blistering comments - "low-intelligence egomaniacs," "stay in your fantasy world and out of foreign affairs" - as well as boycott threats.

It may seem that the antiwar stars speak for all of Hollywood. They don't. Many actors are Republican (Heather Locklear, Kelsey Grammer, Babylon Five's Tracy Scoggins, Senator-turned-Law-&-Order-star Fred Thompson.)

Others are libertarian (Drew Carey, Lisa Kennedy, Kurt Russell, Penn and Teller, Tommy Chong, Russell Means).

Emma Caulfield, who plays Anya on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, describes herself as "ultraconservative." Conservative Everybody Loves Raymond star Patricia Heaton is honorary chairperson of Feminists for Life.

Professionally they may all get along. But when it comes down to the political and the personal, Hollywood Hawks and Tinseltown Liberals can clash.

There was Bush supporter James Woods, tooling down the highway in his car on Feb. 3, when he heard David Clennon, star of CBS's The Agency, on the radio comparing the "moral climate" of America to Nazi Germany.

Except, Clennon told Sean Hannity, host of the national syndicated show, Hitler was smarter than Bush.

Furious, Woods called the show and peppered Clennon with quotes from Prussian military theorist Carl von Clausewitz, who famously called war "the continuation of politics by other means."

In January, Woods came under fire for telling the host of a Los Angeles TV show: "If they harbor terrorists, we should wipe them off the face of the Earth. Eventually, one of these terrorist diaper-heads is going to come around and do something more horrible."

Callers complained that the insult was a racist slur. "I think Mr. Woods is off his medication," said Jean Abinader of the Arab American Institute in Washington.

Last month, hawk Ron Silver almost caused an international incident at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Enraged that Patrick Cox, president of the European Union parliament, called the United States an imperialist nation, Silver jumped from his table and lectured Europe for sitting on the sidelines in the Balkans while America fought for peace.

Afterward, he and Cox went out for a drink. Lately, Silver's been popping up on TV talk shows, urging viewers to give war a chance.

Pro-war or anti-, celebrities seem to over-emote when overseas.

In Spain last fall, Jessica Lange said, "It is an embarrassing time to be an American. It really is. It's humiliating."

Conservative John Malkovich caused an outcry last summer when he told a group of Cambridge students he'd like to shoot a certain anti-Israel, anti-American member of Parliament.

When Bush supporter R. Lee Ermey, a former Marine who played the scary drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket, was asked by a London newspaper about a certain well-known diva's anti-war statements, Ermey thundered:

"Once again, Barbra Streisand has opened her alligator-sized mouth wide before her hummingbird brain has had a chance to catch up. Ms. Streisand does not speak for me or many other folks in this business."

Indeed, the biggest majority in Hollywood is silent.

Perhaps fearful that any position they might take could impede the flow of box-office receipts, most stars are straddling the fence.

Even Bruce Willis, White House spokesman for children in foster care, and Arnold Schwarzenegger, who may run as a Republican for governor of California, are mum on Iraq.

Robin Williams, who has entertained troops in Afghanistan, says he's still making up his mind.

"It's difficult," he told the New York Post. "Winning the war would be quick. Occupying the country is the second part of the equation... . How long would we be there? And how much will it cost? Nine trillion dollars? Ah, what's that among friends?"

Even if the country goes to war and Americans rally around the President, Levinson said, the celebrities who advised against it aren't likely to suffer long-term effects.

He points to Jane Fonda, who won an Oscar for Klute in 1971, and sparked outrage the next year when she went to Hanoi to protest the Vietnam War. Her career went into eclipse, but by 1978 all was forgiven and she won another Oscar, for Coming Home.

"And if she made another movie today," Levinson said, "I've no doubt she'd be embraced."



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To: cubreporter
"Jane fonda might be embraced by Levinson but not by most of us Americans. She's a trator pure and simple and that is her legacy just like Monica Lewinsky is clintin's."

The same very attitude and spirit that caused Al Gore to put out an offical Dim-o-Rat party memo aimed at denying our U.S. Servicemen and Women the right to absentee vote in the 2000 Presidential Elections is the very same attitude and spirit at work in Hole-of-a-whore-wood.

I voted for Saddam and all I got was this bloody T-Shirt!

Ask not what you can do for your country - ask what you can do for Iraq!

Same face - different war.

41 posted on 02/28/2003 12:11:37 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: cubreporter
She's a trator

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42 posted on 02/28/2003 12:15:47 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: MeeknMing
Emma Caulfield, who plays Anya on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, describes herself as "ultraconservative."

That makes my day(week and month).

43 posted on 02/28/2003 12:17:42 PM PST by stop_fascism
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To: MeeknMing
I have the growing feeling that culturally, being a liberal is becoming more and more passe.

Ms. Garafalo (or however the hell you spell her name) says that it wasn't "cool" to criticize Clinton's little adventures. I think that statement was a freudian slip. They are worried that they and all their nonsensical beliefs are no longer "cool".

Look at the contrast in the lists of people mentioned in this article as conservative / libertarian (I combine the two since at heart they are both pro-freedom) vs. liberals. James Woods (MIT Phi Beta Kappa), John Malkovitch (a walking definition of a gifted and intelligent actor) vs. Woody Harrelson (pass me that joint, man) and Mike Farrell (has been).

The left is desperate because they know, even if they can't admit it, that they are losing the culture war and it will only get worse. Worst of all for them, since these people's life blood is fame and being seen as "cool", all of the genuinely cool (or "hot", take your pick) celebrities are increasingly on the other side.

44 posted on 02/28/2003 12:18:17 PM PST by katana
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To: Sloth
"For those that are unaware, James Woods is a one seriously smart dude. He holds a political science degree from MIT."

I'm surprised that such a discipline is even OFFERED at MIT.

Michael

45 posted on 02/28/2003 12:19:16 PM PST by Wright is right!
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To: shadowman99
I haven't forgiven Fonda, and never will. And Sheen and Penn and the rest of those sewer divers won't get a pass 10 years or so down the road either.
46 posted on 02/28/2003 12:24:30 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: babylonian
There's no point in any of us here ranting about all this until we're willing to give up all movies and cassette rentals.

I have. It hacks my family off, but I'm standing firm. Try it, you'll like it, Freepers. Watch do-it-yourself type cable programming and learn while you relax.

47 posted on 02/28/2003 12:24:56 PM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: Sloth
He's a strange one, but you can tell he's a brain. Maybe that's what makes him strange. (at least in Hollyweird)
48 posted on 02/28/2003 12:26:01 PM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: william clark
"By the way, does anyone besides me feel that the Democrats have stopped being a political party and are now essentially a full-blown religious cult? They certainly display all the characteristics"

hmmmm good point.......to paraphrase Hank Hill

"They're all a bunch of nuts on the same sundae!"
49 posted on 02/28/2003 12:26:41 PM PST by Newton ("Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem." -R. Reagan 1981)
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To: MeeknMing
These so called "peace rallies" are all anti Bush rallies as well as anti USA. I would bet anything that there were not ten people in any of these rallies that voted for Bush. No matter what Bush did they would be against him. The rallies are obviously pro Sadam by their very nature. They certainly will make Sadam less likely to cooperate with the inspectors. No question about. I would not be surprised if he has directly or indirectly financed them.
50 posted on 02/28/2003 12:31:01 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: shadowman99
I, my family, my friends, and most of the people I know well will be happy to forgive Jane Fonda when she repents of her sins and stops breathing our air.
Until that glorious day?
Never forgive, and NEVER forget.
51 posted on 02/28/2003 12:37:43 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: MeeknMing
Sorry to repeat this here and on some other threads but . . . Hannity said he has to cut out an hour early today. To fill the last hour, they're going to replay the James Woods/David Clennan(sp?) debate from a few weeks back. If you want to hear a Hollyweird lib get pummeled by a Hollywood patriot, don't miss this! Woods was absolutely great.
52 posted on 02/28/2003 12:41:13 PM PST by Potemkin_village_idiot ( "detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife." OW Holmes)
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To: gaspar
and many of whom went into said decline WHEN?
Could it be... after uttering words to the effect of "If Bush wins, I'm leaving the country!" and, after Dubya was lawfully elected, who failed to do as they had sworn?
Americans do not really like liars, and like petulant trifling ones even less.
53 posted on 02/28/2003 12:42:02 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: fatima
It may seem that the antiwar stars speak for all of Hollywood. They don't. Many actors are Republican (Heather Locklear, Kelsey Grammer, Babylon Five's Tracy Scoggins, Senator-turned-Law-&-Order-star Fred Thompson.)

Others are libertarian (Drew Carey, Lisa Kennedy, Kurt Russell, Penn and Teller, Tommy Chong, Russell Means).

Emma Caulfield, who plays Anya on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, describes herself as "ultraconservative." Conservative Everybody Loves Raymond star Patricia Heaton is honorary chairperson of Feminists for Life.

Fatima! Look, here's more.

54 posted on 02/28/2003 12:45:03 PM PST by Jen (The FReeper Foxhole - Can you dig it?)
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To: SpookBrat
Have you seen the Full Metal Jacket soundboard? Quite entertaining.

Warning: extremely strong language is used!

55 posted on 02/28/2003 12:46:52 PM PST by SW6906
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To: katana
I have been furiously resisting the growing gut feeling that the American Left is in its death throes for several months now. I am a pessimist by training and natural inclination. It galls my soul to have this gloriously optimistic feeling blossom in my breast.
All efforts to kill it have failed.
It waxes stronger every day, as the Leftists slip farther and farther into ludicrous self-parody, as the cries of agony grow to a hellish din over at DU.
I hate to admit it, but I am beginning to feel hopeful about the future of the American Culture.
56 posted on 02/28/2003 12:47:11 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
here's your BP meds...
don't gimme any trouble now, or the orderlies will have to tase you.
57 posted on 02/28/2003 12:50:18 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks Meek for the ping.
58 posted on 02/28/2003 12:50:31 PM PST by Jen (The FReeper Foxhole - Can you dig it?)
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To: Go Dub Go
IIRC, he's a member of CFR. Surprising, huh?
59 posted on 02/28/2003 12:51:34 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (I heart "New" Europe!)
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To: stop_fascism
What? You'd rather have her on your side...

Than Hanoi Jane?

Who'd'a thunk it?

60 posted on 02/28/2003 12:53:43 PM PST by Mr. Thorne (Where's the global warming?! I'm cold NOW!)
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