Islamist 'enabler' threatens 'grave harm to Bush presidency,' Gaffney warns

Center for Security Policy ^ | 26 February 2003 | Frank Gaffney

[bvw]

My mistake: "by spewing decisiveness and confusion" should be "by spewing diviseveness and confusion"

[Jael]

JUstshe, you don't speak for JR. If you people want to go around in fantasy world trying to smear people, go right ahead. But it seems like when you have been told by the guy that owns the forum that isn't the case, you would wise up and stop. It's my understanding that what was done is against the rules.

[Jael]

Actually TexasForever, you are quite wrong. I don't "want" Muslims killed. I don't even want enemies killed, unless they are the people responsible for the horrible acts of 9/11.

And THAT is the difference between you and I.

[Jael]

At least Norquist seems to be the type of toady who, once bought, stays bought.

Excellent comment.

I don't mind a guy working. I do mind a guy working for the enemy and bringing the enemy in the Whitehouse.

[Jael]

Good Luis, good. You keep at the forefront there, where we can all see you.

[Jael]

Amelia, it was a curtesy ping, as one of the other people replied to mentioned you in the post I was replying to.

Thanks for keeping abreast of this topic!

That having been said, I do hope you have a very plesant day!!!

[Luis Gonzalez]

Months ago, while I was trying to point out that this was not a war of religions, but rather a geopolitical power struggle within Islam and against the advent of western civilization an values into the region, the true believers in here just screamed at me that Islam was the enemy, and called me an enabler.

Months ago, while I spoke about the culpability of Saudi Arabia and the Wahabbi sect, and that we needed to address that issue, the true believers screamed that Islam was the enemy, and even called me a traitor for inviting a representative of moderate Islamic America to my show to discuss Wahabbism and their connection to international Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. I was shouted down for refusing to join the choir.

Now, you are all busy in here talking about the Wahabbis, and how they are the enemy.

Let me tell you why.

While President Bush was sending out a message to the world that this administration understood who the enemy was, and that we believed that the vast majority of Muslims would rather live in peace than wage war, the true believers and the useful idiots in this forum took every opportunity to paint the president in a negative light by using his "religion of peace" comment against him.

Now, you are taking another opportunity to paint the administration in a negative light.

If the organizations that Norquist lobbied for in DC are in fact terrorist organizations, why aren't you all spending your time putting that message out there? Why don't you spend your energy in educating the public as to who the enemy is, rather than pointing fingers at minor players in DC?

Why don't you speak out against them instead of casting aspersions at the Bush team?

The answer of course, is because the Bush team IS your ultimate target.

[Mo1]

Looks like it been the same stuff but different day ...

[Luis Gonzalez]

Months ago, while I was trying to point out that this was not a war of religions, but rather a geopolitical power struggle within Islam and against the advent of western civilization an values into the region, the true believers in here just screamed at me that Islam was the enemy, and called me an enabler.

Months ago, while I spoke about the culpability of Saudi Arabia and the Wahabbi sect, and that we needed to address that issue, the true believers screamed that Islam was the enemy, and even called me a traitor for inviting a representative of moderate Islamic America to my show to discuss Wahabbism and their connection to international Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. I was shouted down for refusing to join the choir.

Now, you are all busy in here talking about the Wahabbis, and how they are the enemy.

Let me tell you why.

While President Bush was sending out a message to the world that this administration understood who the enemy was, and that we believed that the vast majority of Muslims would rather live in peace than wage war, the true believers and the useful idiots in this forum took every opportunity to paint the president in a negative light by using his "religion of peace" comment against him.

Now, you are taking another opportunity to paint the administration in a negative light.

If the organizations that Norquist lobbied for in DC are in fact terrorist organizations, why aren't you all spending your time putting that message out there? Why don't you spend your energy in educating the public as to who the enemy is, rather than pointing fingers at minor players in DC?

Why don't you speak out against them instead of casting aspersions at the Bush team?

The answer of course, is because the Bush team IS your ultimate target.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Your unpleasantness, dishonesty and game playing are almost rivaled by your spelling skills. You rave on and on as if you are scoring points and all the while your are laughed at and only supported by a few fellow freaks.

I guess it should be no surprise. What else does a person like you have to offer?

You are obviously bent on being disliked and must get some perverse kick from it, but I just wish you would spare us the Scripture quotes and drop the Biblical name. You are not a positive representation of Christianity and trying to use your references to excuse your despicable behavior is offensive.

[Jael]

Now, you are taking another opportunity to paint the administration in a negative light.

Again Luis, you couldn't be more wrong. My concern is regarding a possible betrayal of our country by certain people.

I hope and pray that you will refocus your misguided efforts to say things about me which are not true, and focus instead on calling for loyalty to President Bush, from those who are being paid by Hamas or other terror supporting groups or individuals.

[Jael]

I'm sorry, but your remarks are not germane to the thread. Please stay focused on the topic!!!

[TLBSHOW]

If the organizations that Norquist lobbied for in DC are in fact terrorist organizations, why aren't you all spending your time putting that message out there?


The two go together Grover and the orgs you mentioned. Sabertooth has spent the time doing that as have others here, problem is Grover is the main problem without him these people would not get in to start with.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

LOL........Embarrassed, huh? Rightfully so, you disruptive little creep.

I'll stay focused on your pathetic tactics, thank you. As long as there is a witch like you around, it is incumbent on decent people to keep an eye on her.

Once again, I notice that there are sadly few that come to your defense. Maybe that should be a clue.

[justshe]

I'm sorry, but your remarks are not germane to the thread. Please stay focused on the topic!!!

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To: Texasforever

given their strident support of Israel

Genesis 12:1  ¶Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2  And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

325 posted on 02/27/2003 0:49 AM PST by Jael

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"I'm sorry, but your remarks are not germane to the thread. Please stay focused on the topic!!!"

Relax! Enjoy! Don't take yourself so seriously. We certainly don't.

[bvw]

With all due respect, Luis, I'm goggling using the following search terms "site:www.freerepublic.com wahhabi gonzalez" and not turning up a single mention of your concern with the Wahhabi's.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

BTW, did you happen to notice how many were excited about Howlin's return? What a compliment to her and what a.........oh never mind.

[bvw]

Well, the spelling of "wahabbi" does vary -- it's an arabiac word all English spellings are approximations -- anyway -- here IS a relpy from you, just two months ago:

To: DannyTN

"If Turkey is primarily Islamic, how is it that they have chosen democracy over Islamic law?"

Because there are several "layers" (for lack of a better word) of Islam, very much like there are several layers of Christianity.

In the Christian world, there are Catholics, Protestants, Greek Orthodox, and within each one of those, there are sub-divisions.

Islam is the same.

The sorts of actions that we are seeing by people like Usama bin Laden and terrorists in general, are representative of the Wahabbi sect of Islam.

Rooted in Saudi Arabia, they are a monority branch of Islam that by their actions, seek to paint the entire Islamic world as radical, anti-infidel warriors.

Check out this site, and work your way through the link marked "extremism" for more detailed information.

34 posted on 01/09/2003 1:20 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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Honestly, you are underestimating the influence of the HATRED strains of muslim teaching, and it's not just wahabbi, either. You also seem to be mischaracterise your own alone-ness, and the roar of the crowd. A FEW posters have called to eradicate Islam, and fewer still consistently. Many other freepers have pointed up the vile Saudi Wahabbi schools of hatred.

The teacher of Arafat was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem -- he also (perhaps, it is rumored) is the one who reccommended to Hitler that Hitler not only deport Jews -- but kill them all -- complete eradication. I do NOT know if the Grand Mufti was a Saudi-schooled Wahabbi -- at the time he was a student, the Saudi's were just sand pounding camel jockeys.

And NO ONE knows whether this is is not a war of religions. There ARE many -- millions -- of decent G-d-fearing muslims who love peace, and everything must be done to rescue them. The form that rescue finally takes, if one if ever secured, is unknown to us ...

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

[Sabertooth]

Thanks for raising the bar on the level of discourse with that post.
(not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Regards