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Morality: Who Needs God?
AISH ^ | N/A | by Rabbi Nechemia Coopersmith

Posted on 02/26/2003 7:19:40 AM PST by Nix 2

Morality: Who Needs God?

If there is an absolute standard of morality, then there must be a God. Disagree? Consider the alternative.

God's existence has direct bearing on how we view morality. As Dostoyevsky so famously put it, "Without God, everything is permitted."

At first glance, this statement may not make sense. Everything is permitted? Can't there be a morality without an infinite God?

Perhaps some of the confusion is due to a murky definition of morality we owe to moral relativism. Moral relativism maintains that there is no objective standard of right and wrong existing separate and independent from humanity. The creation of moral principles stems only from within a person, not as a distinct, detached reality. Each person is the source and definer of his or her subjective ethical code, and each has equal power and authority to define morality the way he or she sees fit.

Random acts of cruelty may not be your cup of tea, but who says your standards are for everyone?

The consequences of moral relativism are far-reaching. Since all moral issues are subjective, right and wrong are reduced to matters of opinion and personal taste. Without a binding, objective standard of morality that sticks whether one likes it or not, a person can do whatever he feels like by choosing to label any behavior he personally enjoys as "good." Adultery, embezzlement, and random acts of cruelty may not be your cup of tea -- but why should that stop someone from taking pleasure in them if that is what they enjoy.

Is having an intimate relationship with a 12-year-old objectively wrong just because you don't like it?

Perhaps murder makes a serial killer feel powerful and alive. A moral relativist can say he finds murder disgusting, but that does not make it wrong -- only distasteful. Hannibal, the Cannibal, is entitled to his own preferences even if they are unusual and repugnant to most.

Popularity has nothing to do with determining absolute morality; it just makes it commonplace, like the color navy.

"But this killer is hurting others!" True. But in a world where everything is subjective, hurting an innocent person is merely distasteful to some, like eating chocolate ice cream with lasagna. Just because we may not like it doesn't make it evil. Evil? By whose standard? No one's subjective opinion is more authoritative than another's.

INCONSISTENT VALUES

Although many people may profess to subscribe to moral relativism, it is very rare to find a consistent moral relativist. Just about everyone believes in some absolute truths. That absolute truth may only be that it is wrong to hurt others, or that there are no absolutes. The point is that just about everyone is convinced that there is some form of absolute truth, whatever that truth may be. Most of us, it seems, are not moral relativists.

Bertrand Russell wrote:

I cannot see how to refute the arguments for the subjectivity of ethical values but I find myself incapable of believing that all that is wrong with wanton cruelty is that I don't like it.

Not too many of us believe that killing an innocent person is just a matter of taste that can change according to whim. Most of us think it is an act that is intrinsically wrong, regardless of what anyone thinks. According to this view, the standard of morality is an unchangeable reality that transcends humanity, not subject to our approval.

THE INFINITE SOURCE

An absolute standard of morality can only stem from an infinite source. Why is that?

When we describe murder as being immoral, we do not mean it is wrong just for now, with the possibility of it becoming "right" some time in the future. Absolute means unchangeable, not unchanging.

What's the difference?

My dislike for olives is unchanging. I'll never start liking them. That doesn't mean it is impossible for my taste to change, even though it's highly unlikely. Since it could change, it is not absolute. It is changeable.

The term "absolute" means without the ability to change. It is utterly permanent, unchangeable.

Think of something absolute. Take for example an icon of permanence and stability -- the Rock of Gibraltar. "Get a piece of the rock" -- it lasts forever!

But does it really? Is it absolute?

No. It is undergoing change every second. It is getting older, it is eroding.

The nature of absolute is a bit tricky to grasp because we find ourselves running into the same problem of our finite selves attempting to perceive the infinite, a topic we have discussed in a previous article in this series. Everything that exists within time undergoes change. That's what time is -- a measurement of change. In Hebrew, shanah means "year," sharing the same root shinah, "change."

If everything in the finite universe is undergoing change, where can we find the quality of absolute?

If everything in the finite universe is undergoing change -- since it exists within time -- where can we find the quality of absolute?

Its source cannot be in time, which is constantly undergoing change. It must be beyond time, in the infinite dimension. Only God, the infinite being that exists beyond time, is absolute and unchangeable.

'I am God, I do not change.' (Malachi 3:6)

Therefore an absolute standard of morality can exist only if it stems from an infinite dimension -- a realm that is eternal, beyond time, with no beginning and no end.

THE DEATH OF EDUCATION

In addition to the demise of morality, moral relativism inevitably leads to the death of education and genuine open-mindedness. The thirst for real learning comes from the recognition that the truth is out there waiting to be discovered -- and I am all the more impoverished with its absence.

Professor Alan Bloom writes in his book "The Closing of the American Mind,"

It is the rarest of occurrences to find a youngster who has been infused by this [liberal arts] education with a longing to know all about China or the Romans or the Jews.

All to the contrary. There is an indifference to such things, for relativism has extinguished the real motive of education, the search for the good life...

...out there in the rest of the world is a drab diversity that teaches only that values are relative, whereas here we can create all the life-styles we want. Our openness means we do not need others. Thus what is advertised as a great opening is a great closing. No longer is there a hope that there are great wise men in other places and times who can reveal the truth about life...

If everything is relative, then it makes no difference what anyone thinks. Ideas no longer matter. With no absolute standard of right and wrong or truth and falsehood, the pursuit of wisdom becomes nonsensical. What are we searching for? If no idea is more valid than another, there is no purpose in re-evaluating one's belief system and being open to exploring new concepts -- since there is no possibility of ever being wrong.

A common argument often heard for supporting relativism is that in the world at large we see a plethora of differing positions on a wide range of moral issues. Try to find one issue all cultures universally agree to!

Professor Bloom addresses this contention:

History and the study of cultures do not teach or prove that values or cultures are relative ... the fact that there have been different opinions about good and bad in different times and places in no way proves that none is true or superior to others. To say that it does so prove is as absurd as to say that the diversity of points of view expressed in a college bull session proves there is no truth ... the natural reaction is to try to resolve the difference, to examine the claims and reasons for each opinion.

Only the unhistorical and inhuman belief that opinions are held for no reason would prevent the undertaking of such an exciting activity.

THE NATURE OF DEBATE

The plethora of disagreements demonstrates exactly the opposite point. If everything is relative, what on earth are we arguing about?

Imagine walking down the street and you hear a ferocious argument taking place behind a door. People are yelling at each other in a fit of rage. You ask a bystander what the commotion is all about. He tells you this is a Ben & Jerry's ice cream store and they're fighting over what is the best flavor of ice cream.

Impossible.

Heated debates occur only because we believe there are right and wrong positions.

Real debates and disagreements occur only because we believe there are right and wrong positions, not mere preferences of flavors. Think of a time you experienced moral outrage. The force behind that anger is the conviction that your position is the correct one. Matters of preference, like music and interior design, do not provoke moral outrage.

What provokes our moral outrage? Injustice? Cruelty? Oppression? There is the sense that an absolute standard of morality is being violated, an objective standard that transcends humanity, that stems from an infinite and absolute Being.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: absolutes; change; ifitfeels; immorality; leftists; moralrelativism; uneducated
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To: laredo44
Laredo, I can't continue to debate someone who has no understanding of moral philosophy.

Let me ask you this question: does 2+2 = "virtue"? Does "virtue" = 4? I'm starting to believe that libertarianism is a product of stupidity, not intelligence.

If you get the time, look up the fact-value problem.

481 posted on 03/10/2003 7:43:36 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: freeeee
People who think God talks to them and tells them to go kill other people belong in the same place as people who think they're Napoleon.

And people who think they know all?

482 posted on 03/17/2003 9:00:52 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: laredo44
Who defines rational?

men with an interest at stake?
483 posted on 03/17/2003 9:04:16 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: steve-b
so we need a better way to evaluate moral claims than "because God says so

like I say so?

or Hitler says so?

or you say so?

It is all relative inside mans own head.

484 posted on 03/17/2003 9:07:41 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: HumanaeVitae
I read your post

I then clicked "View Replies"

I found this stirring rebuttal at the other end

"No replies."
485 posted on 03/17/2003 9:10:30 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: OWK
As a subscriber to the no force, no fraud sect I must ask that you clarify you stance.

Do you believe that some animals and plants hold lesser status to yourself. A status that allows by your standards the initiated force necessary to take a life of such.
486 posted on 03/17/2003 9:27:20 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
What I'm saying is that the "no force or fraud or coercion" stance allows all kinds of things, like personal ownership of nuclear weapons, and voluntarily contracted cannibalism.

It's not the most tenable political system.

487 posted on 03/17/2003 9:50:04 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: CyberCowboy777
Do you believe that some animals and plants hold lesser status to yourself. A status that allows by your standards the initiated force necessary to take a life of such.

Yes.

(I'll explain why, if you're interested)

488 posted on 03/17/2003 12:23:25 PM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
Yes

why are some plants and animals okay to initiate force against. To Kill.
489 posted on 03/17/2003 12:58:15 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Rights are transactional and reciprocal. They operate by consent.

In order to transact in rights, individuals must be possessed of the faculties necessary to comprehend that which is being consented to.

Non-human animals and plants (lacking the ability to comprehend, much less consent) cannot transact in rights.

Human beings which do not have these faculties (children, the mentally ill, the profoundly retarded, etc..) also lack the ability to transact in rights. But in recognition of their human potential, we appoint a steward (typically a parent or guardian) to advocate those rights for them by proxy, until such time as they develop the capactity themselves (if ever).
490 posted on 03/18/2003 7:26:15 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
Is that not a moral judgment call? A reasoned position on morality.

Who is then to say that I am wrong when I say that I reason that all animals have equal rights?

Your position is based on an assume level of hierarchy, that because we are human we hold some special rights. Rights above other living creatures.

Some reason that there is no hierarchy and you really have no authority to say they are wrong as your basis is made up, a reasoned belief in a non-fact. As would be their position.

Your position is based entirely on conjecture. To say that rights operate by consent is to infer from inconclusive evidence.

By your standards of conclusion anyone could reason differently and be morally correct.

Including Hitler who believed Jews were endowed with a lower level of rights, that they were lower on the level of hierarchy.

Of course he also based his opinion on a belief, having no authority or absolutes on which to base his conclusions.

Am I missing something? Where is the authority for your position. You must have some absolute by which you can tell a vegetarian that it is morally acceptable to kill an animal other than a human.
491 posted on 03/19/2003 12:54:45 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: OWK; WaveThatFlag
We seem to have be interupted by a war.

Great conversation though.
492 posted on 04/04/2003 11:10:25 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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