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Morality: Who Needs God?
AISH ^ | N/A | by Rabbi Nechemia Coopersmith

Posted on 02/26/2003 7:19:40 AM PST by Nix 2

Morality: Who Needs God?

If there is an absolute standard of morality, then there must be a God. Disagree? Consider the alternative.

God's existence has direct bearing on how we view morality. As Dostoyevsky so famously put it, "Without God, everything is permitted."

At first glance, this statement may not make sense. Everything is permitted? Can't there be a morality without an infinite God?

Perhaps some of the confusion is due to a murky definition of morality we owe to moral relativism. Moral relativism maintains that there is no objective standard of right and wrong existing separate and independent from humanity. The creation of moral principles stems only from within a person, not as a distinct, detached reality. Each person is the source and definer of his or her subjective ethical code, and each has equal power and authority to define morality the way he or she sees fit.

Random acts of cruelty may not be your cup of tea, but who says your standards are for everyone?

The consequences of moral relativism are far-reaching. Since all moral issues are subjective, right and wrong are reduced to matters of opinion and personal taste. Without a binding, objective standard of morality that sticks whether one likes it or not, a person can do whatever he feels like by choosing to label any behavior he personally enjoys as "good." Adultery, embezzlement, and random acts of cruelty may not be your cup of tea -- but why should that stop someone from taking pleasure in them if that is what they enjoy.

Is having an intimate relationship with a 12-year-old objectively wrong just because you don't like it?

Perhaps murder makes a serial killer feel powerful and alive. A moral relativist can say he finds murder disgusting, but that does not make it wrong -- only distasteful. Hannibal, the Cannibal, is entitled to his own preferences even if they are unusual and repugnant to most.

Popularity has nothing to do with determining absolute morality; it just makes it commonplace, like the color navy.

"But this killer is hurting others!" True. But in a world where everything is subjective, hurting an innocent person is merely distasteful to some, like eating chocolate ice cream with lasagna. Just because we may not like it doesn't make it evil. Evil? By whose standard? No one's subjective opinion is more authoritative than another's.

INCONSISTENT VALUES

Although many people may profess to subscribe to moral relativism, it is very rare to find a consistent moral relativist. Just about everyone believes in some absolute truths. That absolute truth may only be that it is wrong to hurt others, or that there are no absolutes. The point is that just about everyone is convinced that there is some form of absolute truth, whatever that truth may be. Most of us, it seems, are not moral relativists.

Bertrand Russell wrote:

I cannot see how to refute the arguments for the subjectivity of ethical values but I find myself incapable of believing that all that is wrong with wanton cruelty is that I don't like it.

Not too many of us believe that killing an innocent person is just a matter of taste that can change according to whim. Most of us think it is an act that is intrinsically wrong, regardless of what anyone thinks. According to this view, the standard of morality is an unchangeable reality that transcends humanity, not subject to our approval.

THE INFINITE SOURCE

An absolute standard of morality can only stem from an infinite source. Why is that?

When we describe murder as being immoral, we do not mean it is wrong just for now, with the possibility of it becoming "right" some time in the future. Absolute means unchangeable, not unchanging.

What's the difference?

My dislike for olives is unchanging. I'll never start liking them. That doesn't mean it is impossible for my taste to change, even though it's highly unlikely. Since it could change, it is not absolute. It is changeable.

The term "absolute" means without the ability to change. It is utterly permanent, unchangeable.

Think of something absolute. Take for example an icon of permanence and stability -- the Rock of Gibraltar. "Get a piece of the rock" -- it lasts forever!

But does it really? Is it absolute?

No. It is undergoing change every second. It is getting older, it is eroding.

The nature of absolute is a bit tricky to grasp because we find ourselves running into the same problem of our finite selves attempting to perceive the infinite, a topic we have discussed in a previous article in this series. Everything that exists within time undergoes change. That's what time is -- a measurement of change. In Hebrew, shanah means "year," sharing the same root shinah, "change."

If everything in the finite universe is undergoing change, where can we find the quality of absolute?

If everything in the finite universe is undergoing change -- since it exists within time -- where can we find the quality of absolute?

Its source cannot be in time, which is constantly undergoing change. It must be beyond time, in the infinite dimension. Only God, the infinite being that exists beyond time, is absolute and unchangeable.

'I am God, I do not change.' (Malachi 3:6)

Therefore an absolute standard of morality can exist only if it stems from an infinite dimension -- a realm that is eternal, beyond time, with no beginning and no end.

THE DEATH OF EDUCATION

In addition to the demise of morality, moral relativism inevitably leads to the death of education and genuine open-mindedness. The thirst for real learning comes from the recognition that the truth is out there waiting to be discovered -- and I am all the more impoverished with its absence.

Professor Alan Bloom writes in his book "The Closing of the American Mind,"

It is the rarest of occurrences to find a youngster who has been infused by this [liberal arts] education with a longing to know all about China or the Romans or the Jews.

All to the contrary. There is an indifference to such things, for relativism has extinguished the real motive of education, the search for the good life...

...out there in the rest of the world is a drab diversity that teaches only that values are relative, whereas here we can create all the life-styles we want. Our openness means we do not need others. Thus what is advertised as a great opening is a great closing. No longer is there a hope that there are great wise men in other places and times who can reveal the truth about life...

If everything is relative, then it makes no difference what anyone thinks. Ideas no longer matter. With no absolute standard of right and wrong or truth and falsehood, the pursuit of wisdom becomes nonsensical. What are we searching for? If no idea is more valid than another, there is no purpose in re-evaluating one's belief system and being open to exploring new concepts -- since there is no possibility of ever being wrong.

A common argument often heard for supporting relativism is that in the world at large we see a plethora of differing positions on a wide range of moral issues. Try to find one issue all cultures universally agree to!

Professor Bloom addresses this contention:

History and the study of cultures do not teach or prove that values or cultures are relative ... the fact that there have been different opinions about good and bad in different times and places in no way proves that none is true or superior to others. To say that it does so prove is as absurd as to say that the diversity of points of view expressed in a college bull session proves there is no truth ... the natural reaction is to try to resolve the difference, to examine the claims and reasons for each opinion.

Only the unhistorical and inhuman belief that opinions are held for no reason would prevent the undertaking of such an exciting activity.

THE NATURE OF DEBATE

The plethora of disagreements demonstrates exactly the opposite point. If everything is relative, what on earth are we arguing about?

Imagine walking down the street and you hear a ferocious argument taking place behind a door. People are yelling at each other in a fit of rage. You ask a bystander what the commotion is all about. He tells you this is a Ben & Jerry's ice cream store and they're fighting over what is the best flavor of ice cream.

Impossible.

Heated debates occur only because we believe there are right and wrong positions.

Real debates and disagreements occur only because we believe there are right and wrong positions, not mere preferences of flavors. Think of a time you experienced moral outrage. The force behind that anger is the conviction that your position is the correct one. Matters of preference, like music and interior design, do not provoke moral outrage.

What provokes our moral outrage? Injustice? Cruelty? Oppression? There is the sense that an absolute standard of morality is being violated, an objective standard that transcends humanity, that stems from an infinite and absolute Being.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: absolutes; change; ifitfeels; immorality; leftists; moralrelativism; uneducated
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To: Pahuanui
Would you rather live in America or Tibet?
121 posted on 02/26/2003 11:01:20 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Hacksaw
But where does your reason come from?

You may feel free to assume it comes from a creator.

It doesn't change the equation any.

122 posted on 02/26/2003 11:01:44 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
One may not be moral, unless beaten into submission.

or fear being beaten into submission. Exactly. Man is an evil, fallen creation that will always seek to do his own will regardless of how that hurts someone else (or himself) unless he fears to behave that way. (note that this does not negate someone 'playing the system' to get what he wants without resorting to force. That is, if I believe that by helping you I get what I want easier or at less cost than just taking it that does not mean that I am moral. I'm just self interested.

123 posted on 02/26/2003 11:02:11 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Nix 2
Morality: Who Needs God?

NObody, I certainly don't need the threat of eternal damnation to be a moral person. Nothing relative about it.

If you need the threat to be a good person, it just shows that you are a weak person without self control.
124 posted on 02/26/2003 11:02:45 AM PST by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: HumanaeVitae
Would you rather live in America or Tibet?

Are you a floor wax, or is it cold outside?

125 posted on 02/26/2003 11:03:26 AM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears about the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: plusone
Moses has just received a moral codex from God. It states that murder is not permitted.

The ten punishments also came from God. You are operating from a definition that the taking of human life constitutes murder. God obviously doesn't murder in those terms. A straw man argument.

126 posted on 02/26/2003 11:03:40 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: John O
or fear being beaten into submission. Exactly. Man is an evil, fallen creation that will always seek to do his own will regardless of how that hurts someone else

You'll pardon my saying so, but you have a horribly perverse self-image.

127 posted on 02/26/2003 11:05:32 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
My moral code is derived via the application of reason, to the observation of reality.

Which seems far quicker to punish transgressors in practice than God, I might add. Reality is pretty diligent about collecting on its accounts one way or another.

128 posted on 02/26/2003 11:05:45 AM PST by tortoise
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To: tortoise
You make a good point.

In fact, my favorite author Dostoevsky (mentioned in the article) goes out of his way in his book Demons (click on my name) to point out that many atheists believe in God more than priests--they're just quite mad at him about something.

Anyway, the point I am making is that the claim that Objectivists make (and other libertarians) pursuant to the idea that they have "logically derived" their ethical code. Nothing could be further from the truth. They're down there with the relativists.

But, as the author of this article so well notes--everyone is an absolutist about his own version of ethics...

129 posted on 02/26/2003 11:05:47 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
The ten punishments also came from God.

Let's not forget the ten boredoms as well.

God obviously doesn't murder in those terms.

Ah, so god murders in different terms. Got it. Righto.

130 posted on 02/26/2003 11:05:52 AM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears about the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Ignatz
if I used preserved human parts to create a machine that used preserved human parts to make duplicates of itself, you would not say those machines were "created life", would you?

Closer to tinkerer than creator.

What if man could synthesize DNA from raw elements? And then a unique form of life from this DNA? Construction of DNA seems to be your litmus test for creator. Once that obstacle falls, what will man be then?

does it not follow that there must exist some other quality or attribute that things that we agree are "life" must posses, other than mobility and the ability to create copies of itself?

This is an old question: what defines life? Many have tried to answer the question, and the two criteria you give fail the test, because fire can do both and is thought to not be alive.

131 posted on 02/26/2003 11:06:38 AM PST by freeeee
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To: OWK
or fear being beaten into submission. Exactly. Man is an evil, fallen creation that will always seek to do his own will regardless of how that hurts someone else

You may not like the Christian doctrine of Original Sin, OWK, but the recognition of the fallen nature of man is what has caused Western Culture to triumph over all others.

Note I said "recognition"...

132 posted on 02/26/2003 11:07:32 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
You are operating from a definition that the taking of human life constitutes murder.

I am arguing from the position that the taking of life of an individual who has done no harm to you or anyone, is murder.

So when Joshua killed every woman and child in Ai, after having already conquered the city, he comitted murder.

Now the Old Testamaent tells us that Joshua did this at the command of God.

Of course the 9-11 hijackers told us the same thing.

133 posted on 02/26/2003 11:08:41 AM PST by OWK
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To: tortoise
Which seems far quicker to punish transgressors in practice than God, I might add. Reality is pretty diligent about collecting on its accounts one way or another.

Crime boss Carlo Gambino died in his bed, having never spent a day in jail...

134 posted on 02/26/2003 11:09:24 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: MEGoody
Ah, so in other words, you use 'reason' as you define it and 'reality' as you perceive it. That is not an objective source for morals.

As opposed to 'God' as you perceive and define Him? I'm a Catholic myself, but religion and objectivism need not be mutually exclusive theories.

135 posted on 02/26/2003 11:11:14 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Nix 2
In order for this to work you still have to assume an objective moral imperative to obey God or an objective moral standard that God simply points out.
136 posted on 02/26/2003 11:11:33 AM PST by MattAMiller
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To: Nix 2
group hug, group hug!


137 posted on 02/26/2003 11:12:41 AM PST by tuna_battle
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To: OWK
FWK
138 posted on 02/26/2003 11:13:51 AM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth + love courage // LIBERTY *logic* *SANITY*Awakening + ))
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To: HumanaeVitae
Re your # 117.... Atheism kills like no other.

Pure sophistry.

The Incas, for example made murder an integral part of their religion... and their daily lives....The old testemant is rampant with examples of murder, human sacrifice (to appease God), incest..etc....Atheism does not have a monopoly on inhuman activity.

As to the argumant against abortion indictaing one must believe in God to be pro life... A fairy tale I am with the pro-life group lock stock and barrel on this......God does not enter into this equation at all for many, many people. Abortion is simply a dehumanizing act.....an act which has absolutely nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of God for many good folks....a large number of whom have taken action against the abortion industry in court, writings, and demonstrations.


139 posted on 02/26/2003 11:13:59 AM PST by rmvh
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To: OWK
Having actually read the Bible, I'm sure you're aware that God commanded that every surviving woman and child be put to death in cities already vanquished by the Israelites...

Perhaps, being an expert in this area, you could tell us why.

Your own reason as a basis for your absolute morality cannot in itself be absolute. Surely you respect the reason of the few Deist founders. Certainly their training and reasoning ability was superior to yours. So when your rational/moral absolutes come into conflict with Jefferson's rational/moral absolutes, which prevail? Your morality based on your reason cannot be absolute since it is based upon such a frail thing.

140 posted on 02/26/2003 11:13:59 AM PST by Dataman
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