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Big Brother is watching you - and documenting (and EBAY is helping them BIG time)
Haaretz ^ | Yuval Dror

Posted on 02/26/2003 5:40:26 AM PST by HalfFull

"I don't know another Web site that has a privacy policy as flexible as eBay's," says Joseph Sullivan. A little bit later, Sullivan explains what he means by the term "flexible." Sullivan is director of the "law enforcement and compliance" department at eBay.com, the largest retailer in the world.

Sullivan was speaking to senior representatives of numerous law-enforcement agencies in the United States on the occasion of "Cyber Crime 2003," a conference that was held last week in Connecticut. His lecture was closed to reporters, and for good reason. Haaretz has obtained a recording of the lecture, in which Sullivan tells the audience that eBay is willing to hand over everything it knows about visitors to its Web site that might be of interest to an investigator. All they have to do is ask. "There's no need for a court order," Sullivan said, and related how the company has half a dozen investigators under contract, who scrutinize "suspicious users" and "suspicious behavior." The spirit of cooperation is a function of the patriotism that has surged in the wake of September 11.

eBay is the world's largest auction site. Some 62 million registered users buy and sell a variety of merchandise through the site, which charges commissions for every item sold. Sullivan claims that 150,000 Internet users earn their livelihood from the site, some having left their old jobs to become buyers or sellers on eBay.

The sales method on the site is simple: An individual registers as a user, types in his particulars, and affirms that he accepts the user conditions and the site's privacy policy. Whenever an item is sold, the buyer fills out an evaluation form, telling other users about the treatment he received, whether the merchandise was sent on time, etc. Other eBay users can then avoid buying from sellers who have received poor grades.

Sullivan says eBay has recorded and documented every iota of data that has come through the Web site since it first went online in 1995. Every time someone makes a bid, sells an item, writes about someone else, even when the company cancels a sale for whatever reason - it documents all of the pertinent information.

One would think that preserving privacy of the users, whose moves are so meticulously recorded, would be keenly observed at eBay, whose good name in the Internet community is one of its prime assets. But in the U.S. of the post 9/11 and pre-Gulf War II era, helping the "security forces" is considered a supreme act of patriotism.

Who needs a subpoena?

"We don't make you show a subpoena, except in exceptional cases," Sullivan told his listeners. "When someone uses our site and clicks on the `I Agree' button, it is as if he agrees to let us submit all of his data to the legal authorities. Which means that if you are a law-enforcement officer, all you have to do is send us a fax with a request for information, and ask about the person behind the seller's identity number, and we will provide you with his name, address, sales history and other details - all without having to produce a court order. We want law enforcement people to spend time on our site," he adds. He says he receives about 200 such requests a month, most of them unofficial requests in the form of an email or fax.

The meaning is clear. One fax to eBay from a lawman - police investigator, NSA, FBI or CIA employee, National Park ranger - and eBay sends back the user's full name, email address, home address, mailing address, home telephone number, name of company where seller is employed and user nickname. What's more, eBay will send the history of items he has browsed, feedbacks received, bids he has made, prices he has paid, and even messages sent in the site's various discussion groups.

Attorney Nimrod Kozlovski, author of "The Computer and the Legal Process" (in Hebrew), heard the lecture, and could not believe his ears. "The consent given in the user contract should be seen as `coerced consent,' in the absence of any opportunity to exercise free choice, with no real alternative but to agree. This is most certainly not conscious consent."

Kozlovski is part of the Information Society Project group at Yale Law School, in which he and his colleagues consider the effects of the new media on the structure of society. American law does not authorize searches of a person's home or body, he says, except in exceptional cases such as when the court authorizes a search, or when the individual gives his consent to a search.

"In the case before us, the Web site signs the user to a document that says it can do whatever it wants with his information. The eBay contract signed by the user concedes his or her rights to protection from the government; in essence, as soon as the contract is signed, eBay can invite the government to do whatever it wants with the information, he says.

A brief visit to the company's Web site reveals that the "user contract" that visitors are supposed to read before agreeing to the conditions is 4,023 words long. One paragraph makes reference to the site's "privacy policy." The user has to click on a link and is diverted to another document that is some 3,750 words long. It then takes another 2,390 words to reach the section about which Sullivan told the legal authorities: The user's privacy is solely up to eBay.

"The users are asked to read and agree to the site policy before they can make use of it," eBay spokesman Kevin Pursglove told Haaretz. "We provide a link to our privacy policy on every single page of our site, and provide summaries of this policy, all so that users will be familiar with our policy."

We will work for you

Nevertheless, eBay does not make do with simply sharing its data with the legal authorities. Sullivan says the company employs six investigators, all of whom have experience in police investigations. Their job is "to track down suspicious people and suspicious behavior." To that end, they scan for patterns that are atypical - different from "normal patterns." For example, if a person sold baseball tickets for two months and suddenly switches to selling a car, the eBay system will "wave a red flag" and signal the seller as someone behaving unusually. Who asks eBay to do it? No one. eBay volunteers.

eBay goes even further. In his lecture, Sullivan spoke about how he helped investigators locate a user who had been suspected of selling stolen cars through the site. "We tried to buy the car from the thief and in that way incriminate him. But the bad guy was smart. He saw there wasn't a single feedback in the history of the person who was making the purchase. He told us he didn't want to make a deal with us."

Sullivan explained that the incident taught the company a lesson, and that since then it has used pseudo buyers for which it constructs comprehensive simulated histories, including simulated feedbacks, all for the sake of incriminating those suspected of theft. "eBay is not willing to tolerate acts of fraud carried out on its site," explains Pursglove. "We believe that one of the ways to fight fraud is to cooperate with the legal authorities at the various levels.

Sullivan is even more forthcoming. Aware of how hard the police work, he decided to help as much as possible. "Tell us what you want to ask the bad guys. We'll send them a form, signed by us, and ask them your questions. We will send their answers directly to your e-mail." Essentially, by engaging in what seems like impersonation, eBay is exploiting its relationship with customers to pass on information to law enforcement authorities. Why? "We take various steps in order to fight fraud and provide a safe buying environment for our numerous users," says Pursglove.

"In order to prevent misuse of authority, the law ensures that authorized impersonation will only be used with persons suspected of carrying out illegal activity," says Pursglove. But eBay's practice is to impersonate people on a regular basis, for law-enforcement objectives. However, "there need not be a proven connection or well-founded suspicion of a crime having been performed," claims Kozlovski.

In July 2002, eBay bought PayPal, Inc. for $1.45 billion. PayPal, which offers the most popular means of payment on eBay, provides clearing services for the execution of online transactions. It enables Internet users to open accounts on the company site, transferring money from their credit card or bank account. When carrying out a transaction, the seller receives a certificate with which money can be withdrawn from the buyer's account in cash. The system obviates the need to reveal personal financial data.

When Paypal was acquired, the company reported 16 million users, as well as 3 million business accounts and 28,000 new visitors to the site each day. About 60 percent of PayPal's income derives from commissions received from users buying goods on eBay. About 70 percent of eBay buyers use PayPal.

Two years earlier, eBay bought Half.com, a site that specializes in sales of CDs and books. Sullivan explained that these acquisitions help eBay to provide lawmen with a full picture. "Every book or CD comes with a bar code. So we know who bought what. The acquisition of PayPal helps us to locate people more precisely. In the old days, we had to trace IP addresses (unique address given to computers linked to the Internet), to locate the buyer, but now Paypal supplies us with the money trail.

PayPal has about 20 million customers, which means that we have 20 millions files on its users," Sullivan proudly relates. "If you contact me, I will hook you up with the Paypal people. They will help you get the information you're looking for," he tells his listeners. "In order to give you details about credit card transactions, I have to see a court order. I suggest that you get one, if that's what you're looking for." It isn't certain that visitors to the site are aware of the thick hints eBay gives the lawmen.

"By buying PayPal, eBay is merging the information about the goods trail with the money trail," explains Kozlovski. "Thus, in spite of the protective mechanisms of the law against disclosure of details on transactions, eBay is in a position to analyze the full set of data and `advise' investigators when it might be `worthwhile' for them to ask for a subpoena to disclose the details of a financial transaction. Essentially, this bypasses the rules on non-disclosure of details of financial transactions and the confidentiality of the banker-client relationship."

Kozlovski mentions how special investigator Kenneth Starr issued a court order that ordered the bookstore where Monica Lewinsky bought her books to report to him the names of the books she bought. "Then, there was a huge fuss. Now you don't need a special order - eBay does the work for the investigators."

Kozlovski feels that eBay's practice should be seen as part of a worrisome trend in the West to curtail protection of individual rights. In communist regimes, he says, the state would assign watchers to follow every citizen, who would pass incriminating information on to the authorities. Now the state doesn't have to do a thing. People come to it of their own free will. This is also the case for eBay, which exploits its stature in the market to have users accept contracts that strip them of their privacy. Perhaps the regime is different, but the outcome is most assuredly the same.



A million new items a day

eBay has no operations in Israel. But in the U.S., Europe and even the Far East, the name eBay is uttered in the same breath with names like Yahoo, Google and Amazon. The company created an electronic business arena where sellers offer their wares and buyers purchase them. eBay's trick is that both the sellers and the buyers are ordinary citizens. On eBay, you can find people selling used chewing gum (and there are buyers), torn soccer balls, 18th century forks, sunflower seeds and luxury cars (in 2002 alone, some 3,000 cars were sold on the site, at a total of $30 million.)

eBay is one of the few Internet companies that shows huge profits quarter after quarter. The company completed the fourth quarter of 2002 with revenues of $414 million and net profits of $87 million. The company had overall income in 2002 of $1.2 billion, and net profits of $250 million. It is traded on Nasdaq at a company value of $23.4 billion - three times that of Amazon, twice that of Yahoo and eight times that of the Israeli security behemoth, Checkpoint.

At any given moment, eBay is conducting some 12 million auctions, divided into about 18,000 different categories. About two million new items are offered for sale every day, and 62 million registered users scour the site to find them. These users have given eBay the monopoly on online auctions in America. Companies such as Yahoo and Amazon tried to get into the auction market, but were forced to give up. An estimated 150,000 people earn their livelihoods solely from buying and selling items by Internet. The company maintains local sites in Britain, Germany, Italy, South Korea, Ireland, Australia, Spain, Singapore and Sweden.

eBay is a monster that churns out money 24 hours a day, 365 days a year - for itself and for its millions of users.


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KEYWORDS: bigbrother; constitution; ebay; rights
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I'm all for the fight on terror, but this invasion on my constitutional rights is depressing.
1 posted on 02/26/2003 5:40:26 AM PST by HalfFull
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To: Al B.
Bump from the "Old Dominion"
2 posted on 02/26/2003 5:46:28 AM PST by HalfFull
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To: HalfFull
It's not an invasion of your constitional rights if you consent.

The lawyer who said consent was coerced was just blowing smoke. It's a consensual transaction. If you don't want the info made available to law enforcement, don't do business on eBay.

There, isn't that simple?

As for me, I am glad to see that they are making such an extraordinary effort to stop fraud. Wouldn't be a bit surprised if the info wasn't available to the IRS as well.

3 posted on 02/26/2003 5:59:40 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: CobaltBlue
but, the average ebay user is not a lawyer and just wants to buy/sell at a good price. Ebay burying this kind of info in a multipage electronic consent (and bragging about how they will give user info with simple request from near anybody) is disgusting. Glad you're not conserned, but I am.

another concern to me is an impersonator of a law enforcement agency may gain access of user data including paypal financial data which has our banking and cc and ss info. EVERYTHING you need for complete identity theft.
4 posted on 02/26/2003 6:14:54 AM PST by HalfFull
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To: HalfFull
What's depressing is your understanding of constitutional rights is about as good as the liberal who cries unconstitutional if the government won't pay for their garbage "art".
5 posted on 02/26/2003 6:17:20 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: HalfFull
Oh...and I would bet that most eBay consumers believe that a court order would still be required to access their personal info.

Personally, I like privacy rights.
6 posted on 02/26/2003 6:19:21 AM PST by HalfFull
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To: HalfFull
When you enter into a voluntary agreement with eBay you sign away some privcy right. Take it or leave it. No one will stop breathing becuse they can't use eBay.

More to the point, there are lots of frauds and cheats using eBay. Selling stolen and pirated stuff, or not delivering. The system would collapse without a voluntary honor system and the fear of investigation.

7 posted on 02/26/2003 6:19:37 AM PST by js1138
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To: tallhappy
"What's depressing is your understanding of constitutional rights is about as good as the liberal who cries unconstitutional if the government won't pay for their garbage "art"."

Wonder how you would feel if a bad cop was after you and used eBay to help in their effort.
8 posted on 02/26/2003 6:21:38 AM PST by HalfFull
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To: HalfFull
If a bad cop uses eBay, then he isn't a very smart one either.
9 posted on 02/26/2003 6:24:23 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: HalfFull
The point you raise about identity theft is valid. I was assuming that they verified that they were actually dealing with law enforcement.

I am a lawyer, have handled several matters involving internet privacy rights. When you join a site, you are bound by the terms of use, so that's one thing to keep in mind. Read them or don't complain.

Another thing to keep in mind is that while political speech, e.g., your opinions on Free Republic, are protected by the First Amendment, financial transactions are not.
10 posted on 02/26/2003 6:24:23 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: HalfFull
Something else to watch out for. I got spam yesterday that appeared to be from Ebay. It stated that they were trying to process a purchase I made on Ebay and they said my CC had expired. They provided a link to submit new info. I knew it was a SCAM, but they made it look very authentic with all the proper logos, etc.
11 posted on 02/26/2003 6:26:02 AM PST by Snowy ("It's the ONLY reason you're here!")
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To: HalfFull
The meaning is clear. One fax to eBay from a lawman - police investigator, NSA, FBI or CIA employee, National Park ranger - and eBay sends back the user's full name, email address, home address, mailing address, home telephone number, name of company where seller is employed and user nickname. What's more, eBay will send the history of items he has browsed, feedbacks received, bids he has made, prices he has paid, and even messages sent in the site's various discussion groups.

From a National Park Ranger? Seriously? Hey, if I have plastic Deputy Sheriff's badge that I got from the dollar store, will that be good enough for ebay?

Seriously, how easy would it be to fake a fax from some bogus law inforcement agency to get the scoop on anybody I want?

I've never bought or sold anything on ebay anyway. I think It's inherently too risky. You don't know who you're dealing with.

12 posted on 02/26/2003 6:27:04 AM PST by rogers21774
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To: js1138
"More to the point, there are lots of frauds and cheats using eBay. Selling stolen and pirated stuff, or not delivering. The system would collapse without a voluntary honor system and the fear of investigation."

Agree...and I think eBay should monitor their site and do what they can to eliminate such fraud.

But, would you feel the same if Law enforcement stormed your house without a court order simply because they suspected (without proof) that fraud was occurring? I don't see the differnce.

13 posted on 02/26/2003 6:27:32 AM PST by HalfFull
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To: CobaltBlue
financial transactions are not.

For those of you interested, banking laws in the Cayman Islands are extremely strict, and it is often very difficult for U.S. investigators to obtain financial records from there. It was only in the past several years that the Caymans have begun to cooperate on even international drug cartel investigations, and only in the wake of serious worldwide pressure.

Cheers for financial privacy.

14 posted on 02/26/2003 6:28:10 AM PST by Viva Le Dissention
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To: HalfFull
I'm all for the fight on terror, but this invasion on my constitutional rights is depressing.

Please detail what rights you have under the US Constitution that have been "invaded". Please indicate the protion of the US Constitution you are referencing.

15 posted on 02/26/2003 6:34:50 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: CobaltBlue
Wouldn't be a bit surprised if the info wasn't available to the IRS as well.

I suspect that is a larger consideration here than it appears...

16 posted on 02/26/2003 6:40:51 AM PST by ez (Advise and Consent=Debate and VOTE!!)
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To: isthisnickcool
"Please detail what rights you have under the US Constitution that have been "invaded". Please indicate the protion of the US Constitution you are referencing."

Hmmm....I'm not a lawyer but I seem to remember reading that illegal searches by law enforcement without a court order violated Constitutional rights.
17 posted on 02/26/2003 6:44:53 AM PST by HalfFull
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To: CobaltBlue
Another thing to keep in mind is that while political speech, e.g., your opinions on Free Republic, are protected by the First Amendment, financial transactions are not.

As a lawyer, I'm suprised that you made the last statement. Any of us, posting on Free Republic, do so at the pleasure of Jim Robinson, an honorable man. Nobody, with the exception of JR, have the "right," constitutional or not, to post here. We all have the right to our own opinions, but not to use the resources of others to promote them. Just as looney leftists can use DU to promote their hairbrained notions, and conservatives get banned after one sentance.

Mark

18 posted on 02/26/2003 6:49:05 AM PST by MarkL (This space for rent...)
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To: Jim Robinson
""One fax to eBay from a lawman - police investigator, NSA, FBI or CIA employee, National Park ranger - and eBay sends back the user's full name, email address, home address, mailing address, home telephone number, name of company where seller is employed and user nickname"

What is FR policy regarding dissemination of registered poster's IP address/email address should Gov. Agencies "request" (no court order) them from you?

Have you had to cross that bridge yet?
19 posted on 02/26/2003 6:53:15 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: rogers21774
Hey, if I have plastic Deputy Sheriff's badge that I got from the dollar store, will that be good enough for ebay?

Since they don't require proof that a request is part of a lawfully authorized investigation, yes.

20 posted on 02/26/2003 7:13:03 AM PST by steve-b
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