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***Disney To Desecrate Crockett And The Alamo***
Roger Hedgecock For Rush | Stardate: 0302.24

Posted on 02/24/2003 9:40:46 AM PST by The Wizard

I just heard Roger say the "new" Disney Company, (one which Walt would not have had anything to do with) is planning on making a movie called "The Alamo" designed to destroy the memory and image of all the heros who fell in battle

Turning them into drunks and "white men" slave owners, the new picture is supposed to undo all the good Walt did with Fess Parker in the 50's

Obviously now controled by the dark side, and destined to run the company into bankrupcy, this movie will harm Disney in a way the Bomb damaged Heroshima

You'd think they would have learned something from "Dinosaurs"

Walt Disney is being taken over by Californians with Chit for brains, and no partirotism


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: alamo; davycrockett; disney; mickeymouse; mousesevilempire; pc; politicallycorrect; sanantonio; texas; texasindependence; waltdisney
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To: The Wizard
Be ready for General Santa Anna being protrayed as Lincoln fighting for the freedom of slavery in Texas, and the Texicans as southern plantation owners.

Slavery was officially outlawed in Mexico not by Santa Anna, but Vincente. Even though slavery was ostinsibly outlawed, many pesants lived no better than slaves as indentured servants on plantations owned by the Dons. Santa Anna became a national hero routing the Spanish at Tampico under Guerrero, but had political ambitions of his own. Some years before when the Spanish Emporer still ruled Mexico, he married the Emporerer's sister to gain influence. After Mexico's independence from Spain, he helped Bustamente oust Guerrero in a coup, and Bustamente was then beaten in the next election by Santa Anna himself. Anna then began on a campaign to centralize political control, and eventually dissolved the Mexican Congress and appointed himself dictator.

Slavery was a great shame, but it is a deceptive lie if Disney portrays Santa Anna as wanting to free slaves in whitey owned Texas. He didn't want to lose Texas' natural resoures and territory.

As an aside, yesterday was the 156th anniversary of Battle of Buena Vista (called La Angostura by the Mexicans). It was the single bloodiest battle of the Mexican/American War of 1846-1847, which was quite dicey but turned the tide in favor of the US.

21 posted on 02/24/2003 11:00:59 AM PST by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: The Wizard
Davy Crockett And The Seven Dwarves isn't historic?
22 posted on 02/24/2003 11:02:42 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: discostu
Drunkards? You mean the kind of people that weep when their barrel gets blown up?

I presume you know the story of former congressman Crockett's farewell speech to the people of the state of Tennessee, delivered in Memphis as he left with three companions "...to explore the Texes well before I return...for his new home-to-be in Texas. But upon arriving, he changed his plans, having found the place to be "...the garden spot of the world. The best land and the best prospects for health I ever saw, and I do believe it is a fortune to any man to come here...."

Presumably, they threw some parties in Texas back then as rowdy and spirited and equal to those he'd left behind in Memphis. That tradition has endured, and I reckon he'd appreciate that fact.

-archy-/- -

23 posted on 02/24/2003 11:03:44 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Billthedrill
Davy Crockett And The Seven Dwarves isn't historic?

Only the part where they left in the submarine with Captain Nemo, pursued by dancing broomsticks and a flying elephant.

24 posted on 02/24/2003 11:06:40 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: The Wizard
I was forced to read an essay on this exact subject my Freshman year at a Marxist 4-year University of lower learning. I was then forced to write about John Wayne's depiction of Crockett and how it was "racist" and "insensitive" to the many Mexicans that played a much more vital role in The Alamo than they were given credit for.

The socialist/communist replacement and defication on our idols continues......next stop, demoagogues.

25 posted on 02/24/2003 11:06:48 AM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: discostu
Many movies take a long time to get made. The Mouse or some other studio will sink money into this project and get it to the screen.

Movies like Total Recall and Interview With A Vampire were in the works for 20 years. Someone will make this politically correct Alamo eventually.

26 posted on 02/24/2003 11:09:54 AM PST by weegee
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To: The Wizard
Interesting ... I wonder if Disney realizes that this could also ignite the smoldering fires of nationalism in Texas as well.

Also consider the possible unintended consequences of highlighting the issue with Mexico and the US.

27 posted on 02/24/2003 11:14:49 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: Liberal Classic
Be ready for General Santa Anna being protrayed as Lincoln fighting for the freedom of slavery in Texas, and the Texicans as southern plantation owners.

As a sympathetic character for the libs Santa Anna is a natural - he was a tyrant who slaughtered a bunch of angry white guys. AND he retired on Long Island.

28 posted on 02/24/2003 11:14:58 AM PST by skeeter ( Quo signo nata es?)
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To: narby
What was the direct Quote Hedgecock used from the director. That he wanted to expunge the "Legend" and revise the history?

I like the hyposcrisy how those in Hollywood will say that people shouldn't see movies to learn (as a means of covering biased agendas in the films) and then on the otherhand, say that such and such film will expunge all the legendary bunk people claim to know on a subject.

Does Hollywood want us reading factual historical studies on subjects or do they want us watching this month's flavor of the past through modern eyes?

29 posted on 02/24/2003 11:15:32 AM PST by weegee
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To: archy
Is it true that there are going to be computer animated singing squirrels in this version?
30 posted on 02/24/2003 11:16:46 AM PST by weegee
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To: skeeter
he was a tyrant who slaughtered a bunch of angry white guys. AND he retired on Long Island.

LOL! That's right he wrote his memoirs in Nassau County, New York.

31 posted on 02/24/2003 11:20:12 AM PST by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: The Wizard
Here's some of the other past FR threads on the Alamo (and this film):

Ron Howard forgets about "The Alamo" - Variety article says that Ron leaves because the project is taking too long and keeping him for working on other films.

Disney to Ron Howard--No Alamo Movie Unless PG Rated

Texas History Gets New Mexican Twist

Battle of the Alamo - Thirteen Days to Glory

32 posted on 02/24/2003 11:26:43 AM PST by weegee
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To: The Wizard
I haven't seen the Duke's Alamo, but it was a favorite of my grandfather. This Alamo has the makings of a flop. Delay after delay, terrible, PC message, and it's being helmed by a struggling company. I certainly won't see it. I'd probably like the Duke's Alamo, though.
33 posted on 02/24/2003 11:40:04 AM PST by baseballfanjm
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To: Semper Paratus
"Like to see them try to make Santa Anna and his army's atrocity at the Alamo heroic"

As well as Golidad.
34 posted on 02/24/2003 11:44:04 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: sharktrager
Why wait and see it when you can run around hysterically shrieking "the sky is falling" because it isn't going to be filmed around a theme of a completely whitebread bunch of teetotaling simps?
35 posted on 02/24/2003 11:48:28 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: laureldrive
Only semi-sarcastic, nudge-and-a-wink type stuff. I'm a bigtime Wayne fan, but I also know he didn't take himself too seriously. The original isn't totally above reproach, it has problems mostly in the historical accuracy department. On the otherhand I sure hell wouldn't accuse him of being in a PC movie, in that regard definitely and seriously above reproach. Which is why I think it's silly that the complaints about the remake all apply to the original, maybe those things don't make it PC maybe they just make it genuine.
36 posted on 02/24/2003 11:53:07 AM PST by discostu (This tag intentionally left blank)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I think it would be great if the movie were historically accurate - why should any of us object to the truth? - but that's unlikely with a Disney product. They'll probably give Davey Crockett a homosexual love interest.
37 posted on 02/24/2003 11:57:15 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: weegee
But it's usually bad when a film kicks around a studio for a long time. For a while Ron Howard was tied to it, even though Ron often irritates me I thought this would be good because The Duke liked him and he seems to have respect for Wayne's legacy. Then Ron bailed and I got worried. Then it seemed to die for a long time. Then I rewatched the original and thought about how silly the PC complaints were against the remake. NOw I'm in wait and see.
38 posted on 02/24/2003 12:00:42 PM PST by discostu (This tag intentionally left blank)
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To: sharktrager
How about we wait to protest until we know what is in the film?

Not sure I agree there. Most of the time, in the name of historical accuracy, Hollywood gives us only the accuracy that comports with its political objective. (The makers of 1776, for example, made the Congressional Congress almost as blue as a bordello.) A little pre-production protest is a good thing. Sometimes--not always--it changes the editorial outlook.
39 posted on 02/24/2003 12:10:56 PM PST by farmer18th
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To: mountaineer
They'll probably give Davey Crockett a homosexual love interest

He might even petition the commander of the fort to file an environmental impact report before making a defense.
40 posted on 02/24/2003 12:12:26 PM PST by farmer18th
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