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This is wrong in so many ways that one does not even know where to begin. Nice to see that Judge O'Brien is still actively wrecking lives in his retirement years!
1 posted on 02/22/2003 4:55:21 AM PST by Prov1322
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I hope a higher court will be more sane!
2 posted on 02/22/2003 5:09:14 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Anything from ABCNNBCBS is suspect!)
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To: Prov1322

Kantaras

3 posted on 02/22/2003 5:14:25 AM PST by martin_fierro (oh, did I say that out loud?)
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To: Prov1322
The whole article.

Transsexual wins child custody when judge rules him to be male

By Maya Bell | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted February 22, 2003

In a ruling that boosts the legal status of people who undergo sex-change operations, a Pinellas County judge on Friday awarded custody of two children to a male transsexual who was born a woman 44 years ago.

In his exhaustive, 809-page ruling, Pinellas Circuit Judge Gerard O'Brien found that Michael Kantaras' sex-change operation in 1986 legally made him a male, the rightful father and most suitable custodial parent of the two children he was raising with his estranged wife, Linda.

His order, issued in Clearwater, awarded custody of Mathew, 14, and Irina, 11, to Michael Kantaras with "liberal visitation rights" to their mother. The children have been living with their father for the past six months.

Although trial-court opinions are not binding on other judges, some legal experts predicted the lengthy order, the first based on extensive medical testimony about gender and transsexualism, will be closely scrutinized by other courts.

"It's a trailblazing decision which I think other courts will have to pay attention to," said Matthew Coles, director of the gay and lesbian project at the American Civil Liberties Union in New York.

"There have only been a handful of cases in which the courts have grappled with this question: If a person is born one gender and changes to another, what is the legal effect? None have been this thorough."

In the final divorce decree in Kantaras v. Kantaras, Judge O'Brien ruled that, although Michael Kantaras was born female, he is now indeed a man, making his marriage to Linda legal.

That was key because, through her attorney, Linda Kantaras had argued that her 14-year marriage was invalid because she had married a woman, a legal impossibility in Florida. As do many states, Florida forbids same-sex marriages.

"This is an amazing decision, because the judge has overlooked the fact that he's a transsexual and looked at the best interests of the children," said Lynne Gold-Bikin, former chairwoman of the American Bar Association's family-law section.

"Every state decides their own cases, but let me tell you, this is going to be used in other states," she said. "This is a major victory for alternate lifestyles."

Religious conservatives criticized the ruling. Mathew Staver, general counsel for the Liberty Council, a Longwood-based group that promotes religious freedom through the courts, called the decision dangerous and illogical.

"It opens up Pandora's box for individuals to legally change their gender by having certain medical procedures, and I believe it would certainly undermine marriage laws," he said.

A bakery manager in a Sam's Club in Pinellas County, Michael Kantaras was born Margo Kantaras in 1959, but, according to his lawyer, always felt like a boy trapped inside a girl's body.

In 1986, he underwent a sex-change operation in Texas, and married his wife three years later, adopting her son.

At the time they married, she knew her husband had been born female.

Soon after, the couple had a daughter, whom Linda conceived with donated sperm and artificial insemination.

Kantaras v. Kantaras may be the first transgender case of its kind in the nation, and it is the first in Florida.

Courts in Texas and Kansas have ruled other transgender marriages invalid after finding the couples were the same sex. Courts in New Jersey and California have found the opposite. None, however, has dealt with the custody of children in a divorce.

Michael Kantaras' lawyer, Collin Vause of Clearwater, said his client's case was the first to present extensive medical testimony on what decides a person's gender.

Three expert witnesses testified that people such as Michael Kantaras are defined as males in the medical community because they do not have female reproductive organs or produce female hormones.

"Medicine is way ahead of law when it comes to transsexualism, but in this case the judge caught Florida up in one swoop," Vause said.

"His decision is in line with the latest medical knowledge on this issue -- that gender should not be determined by chromosomes or anatomy. There's a lot more to it than that, including self-identity."

In his ruling, O'Brien, a retired judge who presided over a three-week trial last year, acknowledged that "the marriage law of Florida clearly provides that marriage shall take place between one man and one woman."

But he noted "it does not provide when such status of being a man or woman shall be determined."

Neither Linda Kantaras, nor her attorney Claudia Wheeler, could be reached for comment on Friday. They had previously said they would appeal if they lost the case.

Vause said he and Michael Kantaras was elated.

"Michael is thrilled and relieved," Vause said.

"He faced the prospect of having his parental rights terminated, and he's known them from Day One. He's a great dad."

5 posted on 02/22/2003 5:35:00 AM PST by William Terrell (Advertise in this space - Low rates)
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The Patiens are now running the Asylum

7 posted on 02/22/2003 5:36:21 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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I've heard of that operation; it's called an addadictome.

Credit Rush with that one!
9 posted on 02/22/2003 5:58:57 AM PST by JimRed
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To: Prov1322
Defining perversion down.
10 posted on 02/22/2003 6:05:18 AM PST by IronJack
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IF SHE\HE IS MORE FIT TO RAISE THE CHILDREN THEN WHAT IS THE MOTHER'S PROBLEM?
12 posted on 02/22/2003 6:20:47 AM PST by WKB
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I am shocked not because that a transsexual got custody but because of the type of person Kantaras revealed "himself" to be. I saw parts of this trial on Court TV. What the "expert" said was nonsense.

By undergoing mutilations for whatever the reason -- and I certainly am not advocating outlawing plastic surgery -- does not change a person from a female to a male. We have to face it that we can't be everything we want to be.

I'm sure many feel they are a young person trapped in an old body (or a rich person trapped in a poor man's body). We can do things to look younger. But we can't change our age.

13 posted on 02/22/2003 6:34:30 AM PST by Dante3
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I will not comment if a gay person would make the best custodial parent (some would, some would not, same as heterosexuals(

However, transsexuals have many deep seated psychiatric problems, a high rate of suicide, and a high rate of drug use. A transexual man who becomes a woman tend toward promiscuity, although probably not in a woman who becomes a man.

But why does the judge chose a man (woman) who obviously has psychiatric problems to parent the children? Is the wife a druggie, or with mental problems? Or is he/she being politically correct.
14 posted on 02/22/2003 6:35:07 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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You can not change your sex no matter what judges and legislators do or say.They should stick to easier issues like fuel economy and the law of thermodynamics.
16 posted on 02/22/2003 6:52:27 AM PST by rastus macgill
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If I cut off my arms and legs will a court hold that I am legally an earthworm?

It never ceases to amaze me that the medical industry has accepted mutilation as "treatment" for a psychiatric disorder.

19 posted on 02/22/2003 7:27:22 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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Chromozones are the only thing you cannot change. The only objective way to do it, is to rely soley on xx and xy chromozones, regardless of outside plumbing(born or changed), and regardless of xxy, xyy, or any other variations. Anyone with chromozones other than xx or xy is out of luck, and anyone with chromozones that do not match what they are born with, is also out of luck. Thus, someone like Jamie Lee Curtis, who has xy chromozones, should not have been allowed to adopt.
24 posted on 02/22/2003 9:17:22 AM PST by waterstraat
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Pinellas Circuit Judge Gerard O'Brien found that Michael Kantaras' sex-change operation in 1986 legally made him a male

IT is not male. It is a surgically mutilated woman.

It takes more than a surgeon's knife to make a man, or a woman.

I don't have a law degree, but it seems I see more clearly than this 'Judge'.

26 posted on 02/22/2003 9:42:31 AM PST by LibKill ("Eat a live toad before breakfast and nothing worse than that can happen to you all day.")
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Will the legislature ban transexual adoptions? Why wasn't this covered by the ban on homosexuals adoptions?
31 posted on 02/22/2003 12:03:50 PM PST by Holden Magroin
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What about the cases of children that are born intersexual? In what gender are they to be raised? It has been highly unsuccessful for the doctors to decide, at birth, for the child. Some infants, with severe hypospadias, were assigned as females, because it was easier to do surgery to assign them as females, than it was to repair the hypospadias. These individuals, though raised as girls, did not develop a female identity. They identified themselves as boys.

On the converse, what about the case of the girls that are born with androgen insensitivity syndrome. They are XY (male) genetically, but their physical form is female. They have a genetic trait that makes them insensitive to the action of testosterone. These girls do develop a female identity and are feminine in their behavior.

Or, for that matter, what about the genetic females that are born with adrenogenital syndrome? They will show some masculinization of their external genitals. They also have varying levels of disturbance in their sexual identity or sexual orientation.

The idea of sexual identity does not seem to be tied to sex of rearing, nor does it seem to be tied to genetic sex. What is the answer?
32 posted on 02/22/2003 12:38:09 PM PST by punster
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I do believe the best parent should be given custody. In this case Michael was definitely not the best parent. Among others, Michael chose to leave the "wife" and child for another woman. I hope the case will be appealed.
35 posted on 02/22/2003 3:43:37 PM PST by Dante3
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