Posted on 02/21/2003 8:23:13 AM PST by Destro
Serbian Orthodox suffer
At least 110 Serb Christian sites (churches, monasteries, graveyards etc.) have been damaged or destroyed in Kosovo since the United Nations took control in June 1999.
Most recently, a church building in the village of Ljubovo was completely destroyed by an explosion in the early hours of 17 November last.
A second explosion damaged another church in the town of Djurakovac. The bombings came on the eve of a visit to Kosovo by UN General Secretary Kofi Annan.
Church leaders and Orthodox worshippers also face violence and hostility from ethnic Albanians, especially where UN checkpoints in the vicinity of churches have been withdrawn in recent months.
Ethnic Albanian Muslim extremists regard churches as symbols of Serbian domination and see them as legitimate targets.
Macedonia 2001:
So tell me why the Albanians blew up this Monastery in 2001. (Yes I know, the Macedonians blew up their church by themselves, because a drug-dealing UCK-leader, who fixed the dynamite, said that). And why do Albanians at all attack Macedonia?
Do you remeber the Jihad Talebans and the Buddha statues in Afghanistan? Tell me what happend to this cultural heritage by tolernat Muslims? (you won't say anything bad against such deeds, because YOU ARE AN MUSLIM)
Don't forget, what the Serbian Orthodoxs still have in their memories from the recent past in Bosnia:
Karadjordje
I will tell you one thing, that is one instance where ethnic cleansing did occur and tell you another thing, the Muslims NEVER EVER returned to this date!
This may not sound right, but later at night, we were with Slivo and singing over and over the lyrics of "Mi Smo Vojska Republika Srpska".
You tell me what you would do? File a frcking report to the UN? It was also reported in Western Media that "Serbian paramilitary forces cleansed "another" village".
Another thing, we have 48% more Serbian land now than if we rolled over and said you can violate the Yugoslavian Constitution and have your Islamic-Koran guided Green Government.
One thing I can not stand for is hypocrits, and they embody the Hoplite model.
You are an embarrassment to all Lawyers
I will show you why I DO NOT BELIEVE in your so called "objektive international instituions" (=NWO instruments), Jihadi:
John Sweeney and Jens Holsoe
Sunday March 12, 2000
The Observer
Murder, torture and extortion: these are the extraordinary charges made against the UN's own Kosovo Protection Corps in a confidential United Nations report written for Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
The KPC stands accused in the document, drawn up on 29 February, of 'criminal activities _ killings, ill-treatment/torture, illegal policing, abuse of authority, intimidation, breaches of political neutrality and hate-speech'.
The 5,000-strong corps, funded by UN members including Britain, has a £30 million aid budget for Kosovo. It was set up to provide 'disaster response services'; instead, says the UN, it has been murdering and torturing people.
The UN's own damning verdict on its newly created civil defence force is fresh evidence of the failure of Special Representative Bernard Kouchner to establish the rule of law in Kosovo. Many of the corps's recruits came straight from the Kosovo Liberation Army, set up to meet the violence of Slobodan Milosevic's police with violence.
Nato's intervention last June saw the departure of armed Serbs from Kosovo, but violence and gangsterism by Albanian extremists has not stopped. The report's grim message is that the UN is paying the salaries of many of the gangsters.
The report covers the period from 21 January, when the corps formally came into being. Under the heading 'killings', the UN says: 'Dragash: two members of the KPC and three others were arrested by UN police in connection with the killing of an ethnic Gorani (11 February).'
There are three charges of ill-treatment and torture: in Pec, a man was beaten senseless in the KPC's headquarters, suffering head injuries and severe bruising from a rifle butt. The victim had been attacked in a newspaper article, written by a former fighter in the KLA. In Prizren, a man from the Torbesh minority - a group of Muslim Turks suspected by the Albanians of collaborating with the Serbs - was kidnapped and beaten up by a KPC member and three other men.
Also in Prizren, the KPC stands accused of using torture to obtain confessions. After two men arrested on suspicion of stealing cars were handed over to UN police, they 'complained they had been severely ill-treated. Subsequent medical examinations corroborated the victims' allegations'. Troops from K-For, the multi-national force, suspended the two alleged torturers from the KPC on 4 February.
The KPC is not a police force, and yet one of the grave concerns raised by the UN report, drawn up by Kouchner's own office, is that mem bers of the KPC are behaving as if they were above the law. The report lists complaints from UN police working for its mission in Kosovo, Unmik.
The KPC has been running protection rackets across Kosovo - in Pristina, Suva Reka, Dragash, Istok and Prizren - demanding 'contributions' from shopkeepers, businessmen and contractors. In Suva Reka, KPC members are alleged to have forced petrol stations to accept coupons rather than money for fuel.
In Vucitrn, the KPC reportedly demanded protection money from members of an ethnic minority, the Ashkali, originally from India. One family member had previously been kidnapped and the family had been bombed.
The KPC has a nice line in death threats, says the UN. Two members threatened to kill K-For interpreters after being arrested by Nato troops in Kosovo. Following the arrests, 20 KPC men mobbed the police station and demanded their release. They were freed the next day.
The KPC may be running prostitution rackets, says the UN. A report was received on 14 February that a high-ranking KPC officer may be supervising a forced prostitution racket running out of the Drenica Bar, close to the Srbica KPC training camp.
The KPC is led by General Agim Ceku, who comes in for fierce criticism from the report. His earlier pledges not to tolerate any criminal behaviour by KPC members and to expel anyone who violates the law are mocked by the report, and Ceku, who was formerly a senior commander in the KLA, comes in for personal criticism.
Under the heading 'Activities against minorities, including hate speech', Ceku is criticised for being present at a walk-out staged by Albanian members of the KPC when a speech was translated into Serbo-Croat - the language of the Muslim Slav minority suspected by the Albanians of collaboration with the Serbs.
The report comments: 'It was the clear opinion of those present that this was a premeditated action. The speeches of General Ceku and that of the regional KPC commander were not those agreed upon in advance. The men spoke of the war and loyalty to the "country" - 10 February.' Such a speech would contradict the policy of the UN, the general's paymaster.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,193546,00.html (<- click)
Karadjordje
SS Jihadi, what has this Serbian Nun lost, read your CNN news, SS Mudsha:
PRISTINA, Yugoslavia (CNN) -- KFOR peacekeepers in Kosovo found themselves trying to deter reprisals against Serbs Thursday, as ethnic Albanian rebels were accused of desecrating a Serbian Orthodox monastery and assaulting a nun.
Despite the incidents reported by French troops, the peacekeepers sought to reassure nervous Serbs they could protect them. The monastery is in Srbica, about 40 kilometers (25 miles) west of Pristina.
KFOR spokesmen said Thursday the withdrawal of Yugoslav troops from the Serbian province was proceeding ahead of schedule. But the shrine's desecration could hurt KFOR's attempt to prevent a second flood of refugees from Kosovo -- this time, from Serb neighborhoods.
French peacekeepers put the Devic monastery under guard after they said Kosovo Liberation Army fighters terrorized a priest and several nuns for four days, from Sunday to Wednesday.
The KFOR troops said KLA rebels vandalized centuries-old murals and paintings in the chapel and stole two cars and all the monastery's food.
In addition, a French soldier said, the KLA stripped the clothes from a young nun and took her into a back room. The soldier said she was hysterical and appeared to be traumatized when she was found.
When asked if the woman had been raped, the French soldier responded to CNN, "What do you think?"
The 15th-century monastery is one of the shrines from which the Serbian nation draws its cultural identity. Part of the agreement that ended NATO's 11-week bombing campaign provides for a handful of Yugoslav troops to return to the province later to protect sites like Devic.
What do you say to that right of self-determination, Jihadi?
Please give me ME ONE TIME AN ANSWER - I REPEAT - ONE TIME AN ANSWER to this Jihiadi crimes!
Karadjordje
But wait ... homeagain balkansvet isn't posting anymore ... perhaps they caught him ...? hehe
Karadjordje
Photoshop is available in most computer stores. Knock yourself out.
If it's the right of self-determination and if force alone is the only way to apply that right, you guys lost completely with no right to complain. Too bad, so sad.
Prior to 1991/92 the west, lead by the US and Germany, ecouraged and supported seperatist movements within the republics of the former Yugoslavia which lead to the envisaged results. The unconstitional and thus illegal declaration of idependence was quickly recognized by another illegal act: agression through recognition. The former Yugoslavia was 'no more'. Serbia and Montenegro proclaimed the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia on the 27th April 1992. In 1998 the west was at it again. This time supporting the albanian muslim terrorists of the KLA on which behalf NATO waged an illegal war of aggression against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. In the end and after the terror bombing campaign the serbian province Kosovo was occupied by NATO and delivered on a silver plate to the KLA. Sure you can be proud of the US defeating the Serbian people. Who would have thought the US, the mightiest Superpower in human history together with 18 other NATO members could defeat the Serbs. Fortunately, the US had also the support of the Croats(NAZI-allies in WWII), the bosnian muslims(NAZI-allies in WWII) and the Albanians (surprise, surprise, also NAZI-allies in WWII). Was someone studying Hitler's invasion plans for Yugoslavia in the Pentagon? Sure they were.
Now you are suggesting to apply the same principles to Kosovo and Knin? Fine, lets get NATO to bomb Croatia, occupy Krajina and install the Serbian Liberation Army as government. Just a joke. With your comment, you have proven to have no clue at all about the constitutional and political organization of the former Yugoslavia and the complicated mechanisms that led to the civil war in 1991/92. First of all, the Serbs were a constituent nation and represented 10 out of 22 million people in the former Yugoslavia and cannot be compared to the albanians, who were one of many minority groups(Hungarians, Turks, Slowaks...) in the former Yugoslavia. Calling the Serbs within the former Yugoslavia minorities is simply wrong. Even if you cut the coherent serbian populated areas with Tito's borders in pieces(Krajina Serbs, Bosnian Serbs, Kosovo Serbs, Vojvodina Serbs, Sumadija Serbs, Sandzak Serbs, Belgrade Serbs, Serbian Serbs...) it is one historically coherent area that will seek to unite sooner or later. Hope someone will finally understand this inevitable fact in the Pentagon or State Departement or maybe even a retard like you. A large portion of the albanian population in the former Yugoslavia were illegal immigrants and therefore speaking of non-existent rights is absurd. You can't strip away citizen rights of illegal immigrants, because they are no citizens and have no such rights. The legal portion of the Albanian minority population in the former Yugoslavia enjoyed like the other minority groups more rights(native language TV, newspapers..) than any minority in any country in the world. Comparing the outbreak of hostilties provoked by the terrorist KLA in 1998 to the civil war in Bosnia and Croatia in 1991/92 is simply nonsense. Here we have fundamental principles breached, the constitution of the former Yugoslavia and the constituent status of the serbian nation degraded, their legitimate right to self-determination deprived and thus the War on the Serbs west of the Drina declared. Having in mind that the Serbian population was exposed to genocide during WWII in these areas by the same forces they had to fight again in 1991/92, it is no wonder the Serbs faught back ferociously. Not to forget five hundred years of muslim occupation, islamization, oppression and humilation.
Why is it that Bosnia and Croatia had the right to secession and Republika Srpska Krajina and Republika Srpska based on the same principles did not? These unanswered questions were the reason for the war to break out. Why was the right to self-determination denied to the Serbs before the start of the war? You can't violate internationally recognized borders of a souvereign state (former Yugoslavia) by recognizing the independence of secessionist republics and at the same time declaring the borders of these newly recognized states(Croatia&Bosnia) as untouchable. The west recognized Croatia's and Bosnia's independence from Yugoslavia. Applying the same logic, Serbia, Russia and the rest of the world could have recognized Republika Srpska Krajina and Republika Srpska after Croatia and Bosnia became recognized independent states by the international community. Why not? It was the 'west' who made the Helsinki Agreement null and void.
But. I repeat: I've seen too many wrecked mosques--in Doboj, in Srebrenica, in Konjevic Polje, in Kalesija, in Brcko, outside Sarajevo--to be much surprised. I also have seen too many wrecked Catholic churches covered by swastikas.
I also know how your people in Kosovx (where x = the vowel of your choice) treated the Albanians like s--t for decades before 1999 came waltzing along. Eventually the oppressed aren't going to take it any more.
But I also say this: what goes around, comes around. You guys started it. You had a chance to turn your back on this whole thing in 1990. But NOOOOOOOO. Your boys Martic and Karadzic and Milosevic lit the fuse of the bomb that went off in your own faces.
Like in 1981? Tell me, why kept so many Albanians pouring into Yugoslavia during the last decades when they were treated like sh+t there as you claim? Why didn't they stay in prosperous Albania?
The Associated Press
The materials in the AP file were compiled by The Associated Press. These materials may not be republished without the express written consent of The Associated Press.
October 23, 1981, Friday, PM cycle
ADVANCED-DATE: October 17, 1981, Saturday, PM cycle
SECTION: International News
LENGTH: 607 words
HEADLINE: Minorities Leaving Yugoslav Province Dominated by Albanians
BYLINE: By KENNETH JAUTZ, Associated Press Writer
DATELINE: PRISTINA, Yugoslavia
BODY:
Hundreds of Serbs and Montenegrins are leaving Kosovo Province in the aftermath of rioting that erupted last spring over demands of the ethnic Albanian majority for greater autonomy.
Nine people were killed and 260 others injured in the disorders, during which extremists proposed making Kosovo part of neighboring Albania, Eastern Europe's most-orthodox Communist nation.
Local officials say security has been restored to the province, but the minorities leaving are said to fear for their future in the area.
"We have the situation under full control, but this does not mean hostile activity has totally ceased," Azem Vlasi, president of the Kosovo Socialist Alliance, told visiting journalists recently.
Reports on the number of those leaving Kosovo vary widely. But the newspaper Politika of Belgrade, the national capital, estimated that as many as 4,000 people have left or are planning to leave the province, which has a population of about 1.5 million, 77 percent of whom are ethnic Albanians.
Officials here downplay the reports of departures, saying citizens have a right to move about the country as they please.
Nevertheless, a municipal commission, set up in this provincial capital after the rioting to help those moving obtain job transfers and new housing elsewhere, recently has been turning down requests for such assistance.
Enver Redzepi, deputy president of the provincial legislative assembly, said 882 Serbs and Montenegrins have formally applied to move from the area since the riots.
"There may have been some other cases of people leaving our area, perhaps nearly a thousand," he said.
Most of those asking to leave say new jobs, better living conditions and family considerations prompted their move, but Redzepi said 147 requests had been turned down.
"We will not assist in departures that are not justified," he said without elaboration.
Politika indicated that many do not give "true reasons," fearing they will not receive official help with their move.
The departures from the province could prove significant for Yugoslavia, since the nation is made up of areas inhabited by various ethnic groups with long histories of rivalry.
In Kosovo, relations have long been poor between the province's Albanian majority and the Montenegrins and Serbs, who used to hold the most important political and economic jobs.
The province is in the southern part of the Republic of Serbia, one of Yugoslavia's six constituent republics. In view of Kosovo's large non-Serbian population, however, the province enjoys a greater degree of autonomy than provinces in other constituent republics.
"It's a real worry for them," one Western diplomat said of the departing Serbs. "It's a part of Serbia, but over the years there's fewer and fewer Serbs."
Serbs have been gradually leaving the province for years. This trend, coupled with an ethnic Albanian birthrate three times the national average, could raise the likelihood of increased Albanian nationalism in the area.
Diplomatic analysts say the Pristina commission, although advertised as a government body to assist in moving, is a way of hindering people from leaving.
"The net effect is that it shows they want to keep Serbs there," one diplomat said in Belgrade, the Yugoslav capital.
Authorities here emphasize the trouble-free reopening of Pristina University, where student unrest first sparked the demonstrations, but say there have been isolated cases of "nationalist-oriented grafitti."
"Nationalism is a state of mind, an ideology," said Vlasi. "One does not fight it quickly, with hostile measures, but over time and with education."
Facts on File World News Digest
September 10, 1982
SECTION: OTHER NATIONS; Yugoslavia
PAGE: Pg. 670 E3
LENGTH: 210 words
HEADLINE: Serbs in Kosovo Exodus
BODY:
Some 57,000 Serbs had left the Yugoslav autonomous province of Kosovo within the past decade, it was reported July 12. A great number had left after the riots of March and April 1981, according to local officials. The region's economic problems and the ethnic Albanian nationalism that had sparked the riots were mentioned as the principal reasons behind the Serbian migration. [See 1981, p. 261G1]
"The nationalists have a two-point platform, first to establish what they call an ethnically clean Albanian republic and then the merger with Albania to form a greater Albania," said Becir Hoti, a Kosovo Communist Party official and an ethnic Albanian.
Officials cited widespread harassment of Serbs by Albanians, including two recent murders, personal insults, defacing of graves, burning of hay and other attacks on property.
Economic problems in the country's poorest region were also stressed. "Ninety-nine percent of the Albanians have no wish to live in Albania," Aziz Abrashi, the economics minister, was quoted as saying. "But they view the rest of Yugoslavia and are aware of the higher living standards. Our young people want the same good life, the nice houses and cars, and they can't get them if they can't get jobs," Aziz added.
homeagain balkansvet, do you have Real Player?
Karadjordje
The US draws up a document which it presents to the KLA and the Yugoslav government. There are no negotiations. Both sides are told to "take it or leave it." The document requires Yugoslav withdrawal from Kosovo, the introduction of a NATO occupying force with total powers, and a plebiscite to decide on independence for Kosovo. What the American people aren't told is that the document also gives NATO forces free rein throughout Yugoslavia, including Serbia itself, even Belgrade. It grants NATO forces free use of airports, roads, rails, and ports; free telecommunication services; and total immunity throughout Yugoslavia. In essence, this "agreement" would allow NATO to occupy all of Yugoslavia, not just Kosovo. Members of the US "negotiating" team bragged that they intentionally set the bar too high for Milosevic to accept. "He needs a good dose of bombing, and that's what he's going to get."
Amazingly, Milosevic accepted all the Rambouillet demands except for NATO occupation of Yugoslavia itself. He wanted the troops to be under UN command. (NY Times 4/8/99) Dan Goure, Deputy Director, CSIS and a Pentagon official under Bush said, "Rambouillet was not a negotiation, it was a setup, a lynch party." (Institute for Public Accuracy 5/4/99)[source]
Or this, um, "fantasy" interpretation:
Let's see how the American people might like it if their government was asked to sign the Rambouillet Agreement. Imagine that in Ten years, the people of Mexican descent in Texas had decided that they had enough of the discriminatory treatment they often receive. The Texas Liberation Army (TLA) takes up arms against their oppressors. China, the last remaining superpower, decides that the human rights violations in Texas must stop. Mexico and the other Latin American countries in North America, outraged by the United States' treatment of persons of hispanic descent, have formed the Organization for Security and Cooperation in North America.The Chinese government drafts an "agreement" and summons President Hillary Clinton and the TLA to Rambouillet. The Chinese government informs President Clinton that she must either sign the agreement or China will bomb the United States.
I have taken the text of the Rambouillet agreement and substituted China for Nato, Texas for Kosovo, Austin for Pristina, etc.
The US draws up a document which it presents to the KLA and the Yugoslav government. There are no negotiations. Both sides are told to "take it or leave it." The document requires Yugoslav withdrawal from Kosovo, the introduction of a NATO occupying force with total powers, and a plebiscite to decide on independence for Kosovo. What the American people aren't told is that the document also gives NATO forces free rein throughout Yugoslavia, including Serbia itself, even Belgrade. It grants NATO forces free use of airports, roads, rails, and ports; free telecommunication services; and total immunity throughout Yugoslavia. In essence, this "agreement" would allow NATO to occupy all of Yugoslavia, not just Kosovo. Members of the US "negotiating" team bragged that they intentionally set the bar too high for Milosevic to accept. "He needs a good dose of bombing, and that's what he's going to get."
Amazingly, Milosevic accepted all the Rambouillet demands except for NATO occupation of Yugoslavia itself. He wanted the troops to be under UN command. (NY Times 4/8/99) Dan Goure, Deputy Director, CSIS and a Pentagon official under Bush said, "Rambouillet was not a negotiation, it was a setup, a lynch party." (Institute for Public Accuracy 5/4/99)[source]
Or this, um, "fantasy" interpretation:
Let's see how the American people might like it if their government was asked to sign the Rambouillet Agreement. Imagine that in Ten years, the people of Mexican descent in Texas had decided that they had enough of the discriminatory treatment they often receive. The Texas Liberation Army (TLA) takes up arms against their oppressors. China, the last remaining superpower, decides that the human rights violations in Texas must stop. Mexico and the other Latin American countries in North America, outraged by the United States' treatment of persons of hispanic descent, have formed the Organization for Security and Cooperation in North America.The Chinese government drafts an "agreement" and summons President Hillary Clinton and the TLA to Rambouillet. The Chinese government informs President Clinton that she must either sign the agreement or China will bomb the United States.
I have taken the text of the Rambouillet agreement and substituted China for Nato, Texas for Kosovo, Austin for Pristina, etc.
There's a nice little story how 'mistreated' the albanian minority really was. Maybe branicap can tell us the story about an Albanian, who almost became president of Yugoslavia. But there was just one problem. He had no valid ID card.
Click here, and that will tell you a little abit more information about smokey.
You and NY Republican have avoid my questions from previous posts, sport. Zasto? Ti smo velika budala? ehh?
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