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BREAKING NEWS - MASSIVE EXPLOSION AND FIRE - NJ [Actually, Staten Island NY: AM]
ME | 2/21/03 | SELF

Posted on 02/21/2003 7:20:52 AM PST by LonePalm

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To: Sloth
True. If any cell calls were made by hostages, no problem -- just dismiss the recipients as nuts and liars, like they did with the TWA 800 witnesses.

Ted Olsen, solicitor general got one of the calls from flight 93 from his wife. It would have been hard to dismiss him. It was a bunch of solid citizens. On the WTC, the truth would have emerged, almost certainly.

601 posted on 02/21/2003 11:06:29 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: NFifty15
"Yes it could be terrorism but accidents like this could happen at a refinery also"

Aside from the fact that it isn't a rtefinery but a petro farm, I have no problem with your statement. What I have a problem with is the casual dismissal of terrorists as a possible cause of this explosion.

All it would take is one man with 10 pounds of plastique and a yearning for 72 virgins.

602 posted on 02/21/2003 11:08:27 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: wheels
Greenpeace - you took the words out of my mouth.
603 posted on 02/21/2003 11:09:03 AM PST by SarahW
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To: CyberCowboy777
But I disagree with those that dismiss it out of hand and make fun of those that do not.

But it's so much fun and they make it so easy. I've seen people trying to link rent-a-cops macing somebody and causing a stampede in Chicago to terrorism, I've seen somebody trying to link a poorly-thought out fireworks display causing a fire to terrorims, I've seen people immediately discard all previous history of industrial accidents, transportation accidents, etc. after 9/11, that jump on the "OH MY GOD IT'S TERRORISM, BUSES/PLANES NEVER CRASHED BEFORE 9/11, BUILDINGS DIDN'T CATCH ON FIRE, CHEMICAL FACILITIES NEVER BLEW UP OR CAUGHT ON FIRE, IT MUST BE TERRORISTS" bandwagon.

I don't have a problem with people who say we should consider terrorism here and there when something high-profile happens. I do have a problem with people who ignore all history before 9/11/01. Being from Texas and having many relatives that worked in the oil industry (including an uncle who worked for Red Adair), this kind of stuff, to me, is blown out of proportion (pun intended). Hell, half the people who immediately assumed this was terrorist-related probably never heard of the Texas City explosion back in the late 40s.

It boggles my mind that many are now so scared that they try and link everything these days to terrorism. If they were able to link it all to terrorism, then we need to give this administration the heave-ho and get somebody in there that can keep it from happening. But I think they (Bush and the administration) are doing a good job of keeping terrorists out of this country - several holidays and large events have happened since 9/11 and nothing happened, and with the noose being put around terrorism here and there, you would think they would have struck already, rather than wait until it's almost impossible to pull somethign off. I don't agree with their methods (PATRIOT ACT among others - INS and Clinton doing their job would have stopped or crimped 9/11, not anything in the PATRIOT ACT), but I think they are doing a good job.

604 posted on 02/21/2003 11:10:20 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: mhking; All
If this WAS a terrorist attack, we may not know it for weeks.

If this WAS NOT a jihad attack, it served several very useful purposes:

#1: The THREAT is out there, is very real, and has not gone away.

#2: There is a growing awareness among Americans that the threat does indeed exist.

#3: There is a willingness on the part of the majority to remain vigilant and report suspicious activities that could lead to jihad attacks to pertinent law enforcement authorities.

#4: There is a growing undercurrent of bitterness and animosity among some against Americans eager and willing to do all they can to support President Bush's anti-terrorism program and become proactively involved in it.

605 posted on 02/21/2003 11:11:17 AM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: arete
Are you talkin' to me? LOL!

I think 'scum sucking doom and gloomer' is a tad harsh....
606 posted on 02/21/2003 11:14:59 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Chemist_Geek
exploding cheese ?
omg !


607 posted on 02/21/2003 11:19:21 AM PST by tomkat
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To: ModelBreaker
That was the third (i.e., Pentagon) plane. If the attack had stopped when the first plane struck the WTC, I doubt you'd ever hear of such phone calls.

BTW, that was American flight 77... United #93 crashed in PA.
608 posted on 02/21/2003 11:20:47 AM PST by Sloth (I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!)
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To: headsonpikes
I think 'scum sucking doom and gloomer' is a tad harsh....

Yeah, maybe a little over the top with the "scum sucking" part. Sorry. :-)

Richard W.

609 posted on 02/21/2003 11:21:45 AM PST by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: Happy2BMe
I don't mean to sound dramatic, but . . .

If I had been on that flight where Richard Reid tried to set his shoes on fire, he wouldn't have been around for sentencing in Boston a few months ago.

In fact, they would have needed a spatula to peel him off the floor after I was done with him.

610 posted on 02/21/2003 11:26:09 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
"If I had been on that flight where Richard Reid tried to set his shoes on fire, he wouldn't have been around for sentencing in Boston a few months ago."

Do you like posting jpegs? Are you a redneck?

611 posted on 02/21/2003 11:31:36 AM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus; All
"Towing the party line in short."

Please. It's 'toeing'; really, it is. It's 'toeing the line'...that's the English locution.

Toeing the line. Like at the start of a foot-race.

Sorry. I just snapped. I've seen it too often lately.

I'm an ornery old coot. ;^)
612 posted on 02/21/2003 11:32:00 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: af_vet_rr
I understand your thinking.

To go into panic mode is to seal you doom.

BUT - I am glad people question - OKC still has me wondering and I am no tin foil hatter.
613 posted on 02/21/2003 11:37:08 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: headsonpikes
"Towing the party line in short."

Please. It's 'toeing'; really, it is. It's 'toeing the line'...that's the English locution.

Toeing the line. Like at the start of a foot-race.

Sorry. I just snapped. I've seen it too often lately.

I'm an ornery old coot. ;^)

I most humbly acknowledge my error.

And might I say...your use of the word "coot" is quite becoming!

Pronunciation: 'küt

1 : any of various sluggish slow-flying slaty-black birds (genus Fulica) of the rail family that somewhat resemble ducks and have lobed toes and the upper mandible prolonged on the forehead as a horny frontal shield

2 : any of several No. American scoters

3 : a harmless simple person; FELLOW

(bowing gracefully) :)

614 posted on 02/21/2003 11:44:07 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Happy2BMe
Do you like posting jpegs? Are you a redneck?

The only jpegs I post are on my profile page.

And I'm not a redneck -- I do know that a Volvo is not part of a woman's anatomy.

615 posted on 02/21/2003 11:45:57 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
ROTFLMAO!
616 posted on 02/21/2003 11:47:56 AM PST by seeker41
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To: Howlin
Wonder what the "facts" are?
617 posted on 02/21/2003 11:49:36 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: js1138
I actually think the terrorists are limited to ramming boats with dingys.
618 posted on 02/21/2003 11:50:52 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
"Hey Smails! My dinghy is bigger than your whole boat!"
619 posted on 02/21/2003 11:58:16 AM PST by freedomcrusader
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To: Alberta's Child
"I do know that a Volvo is not part of a woman's anatomy."

Seriously!?

Next, you'll tell me there is no such thing as REDNECK REPARATIONS!

620 posted on 02/21/2003 12:01:43 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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