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1 posted on 02/17/2003 5:43:46 AM PST by SJackson
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Then I picked through the highlights. As a hunter and human being, I agreed with almost all of them.

What a moron.

91 posted on 02/17/2003 8:45:16 AM PST by Terriergal (Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.)
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I wonder what they'll say when he is *forced* to trade in all his guns and take up bowhunting.
92 posted on 02/17/2003 8:45:49 AM PST by Terriergal (Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.)
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I am a gun nut and I don't have a gun in my house. But if the situation was right I'd have 20+. This guy just wants to take peoples guns away, he lives to close to the Maple border don't-cha know.
93 posted on 02/17/2003 8:49:19 AM PST by Porterville
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I am a gun nut and I don't have a gun in my house. But if the situation was right I'd have 20+. This guy just wants to take peoples guns away, he lives to close to the Maple border don't-cha know.
94 posted on 02/17/2003 8:49:22 AM PST by Porterville
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So, the only legitimate use of a firearm is hunting?

I had no idea that the 2nd, and our founding fathers' concern for our personal safety, was saving ourselves from raging deer.
96 posted on 02/17/2003 8:50:52 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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*Lengthening the waiting period for taking possession of a handgun from three days to 10. Hey, make it a month, a year, 10 years. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

I guess if punks break into his house and steal his precious "shotguns and rifles for hunting", (and then maybe they'll come back a few days later to have a little fun with his wife and daughter), he won't mind waiting a month, a year, or 10 years to replace his shotgun or rifle. After all, it in no way affects his right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting -- he just has to wait a while. What a complete idiot this moron is.

I kept waiting for him to conclude with "Wait a minute! These proposals do interfere with my right..." I kept thinking this was all a set-up to point out the folly of these proposals. But no, this idiot actually buys into all this nonsense. Maybe he's TOO STUPID to be trusted with gun ownership.

112 posted on 02/17/2003 8:59:33 AM PST by VRWCmember
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This guy obviously has no understanding of incrementalism. He is a perfect example of why it works so well.
114 posted on 02/17/2003 9:00:39 AM PST by c-b 1
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This is my email to him:

Gun Nuts need to separate themselves from Hunters February 17, 2003

"The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." -Vincent Van Gogt

I don't hunt. It's the most inhumane thing to do in the outdoors, after all, when I make time to spend in the shrinking outdoors, with subdivisions encroaching, I want to see natures critters in their native habitat, I like to hear the birds singing and not the sounds of some hunter indiscriminately blasting away especially if I'm on the other side of where he's blasting.

I don't hunt, I own guns.

They are my most valued possessions.

When I was 8, Dad gave me a model 25 Daisy BB gun, it had been passed down two generations, it has gold inlay & a 1925 patent date. When I turned 13, my dad bought my .22 Savage semi-automatic rifle. I loved to rip a full tube magazine of 15 shots as fast as I could pull the trigger. At 15, my Remington 1100 became my next favorite gun; I took up reloading shot shells, hunting dove & quail. I bought a .50 caliber black powder rifle for deer and killed my first at 18. At 21, I bought my first handgun, a Colt Series 70 Gold Cup.

I got a pet bird at 18, a cockatiel who is still with me today some 20 years later. I haven't hunted a bird since. Nor have I hunted deer since the first & last one that I killed in 1983. In fact, I don't anything hunt anymore but I love to shoot. In fact, I fire over a thousand rounds of ammo every month. I guess my ammo inventory in my garage would qualify as an arsenal.

Guns are special to me, like a Boon & Crocket trophy deer to a hunter. Being mechanically inclined, I have a great appreciation for the design of the action, in the exact same manner that someone appreciates a fine watch or a classic car.

So I watch with intent interest when any anti-gun person makes a statement in regards to gun legislation, including anti-gun hunters.

As a law abiding gun owner and human being, I disagree with all gun legislation.

As gun nuts, we must learn to separate ourselves from the hunters, those who would welcome every firearm restriction. Otherwise, we'll be lumped in the "savage" pile, PETA is right. Who needs to hunt today, all you could want is at the grocery store. I read stories about illegal poaching by hunters, hunting accidents, hunters shot by other hunters, cars shot by hunters , don’t get me started on the road signs shot up by hunters. I rarely read about assault rifle & handgun accidents at gun ranges. I read EVERY DAY how someone armed with a handgun saved a life or stopped a criminal in his tracks.

*A ban on military-style, semi-automatic assault weapons. I vehemently disagree. No restrictions whatsoever should be placed on these weapons. If our soldiers can be trusted with M16's or M60 machine guns in Iraq, Korea, Vietnam, they have the right to own and possess these weapons at home they lay down their lives for this very freedom every day. Besides who would use an assault rifle for hunting? The only place is see or use my assault rifle is at the two target ranges that I pay annual membership to belong to. I use my AR15, Russian SKS, AK-47 and "gasp" 50 caliber BMG rifle (man, I love my 50 BMG!)to compete in tactical matches. Once in a while I'll bring out the Browning 1919A7 belt fed for nostalgia’s sake. The only thing we "kill" is paper targets, not defenseless animals that are losing their habitat.

*Restrict handgun purchases to one gun per person per month. Never, when I have spare cash, I buy a new handgun. They are like coins and stamps to me. I want one of every caliber and variation made. I hope to have a complete collection of everything that Glock makes. But I do I think they should restrict hunting ammunition to 10 rounds per person per month. That would keep these moron hunters from indiscriminately blasting away. After all, I hunted with a muzzle loading rifle and all I had was one shot and because I was careful, one shot was all I needed. Hunters just "spray and pray", they blast away at helpless little animals with as many rounds as they have to make up for their lack of hunting skill. If I had my way, all hunting would be done with spears and bows. It was all the Native Americans needed.

*Gun fingerprinting. I have a serious problem with that. It is an immense waste of taxpayer funds. It in no way will help solve crimes, there are millions & millions of guns out there that will never be "finger printed", and as the Justice Department reported, over %80 of all gun crimes are committed with stolen weapons or guns obtained from friends or relatives. If such legislation is enacted, then it will be necessary to serialize shotgun shells & require some kind of paper trail to the ammunition, since the "shot" cannot be finger printed like a bullet can and, in fact, it is nearly impossible to trace or link a shotgun to a shooting death. It in no way affects my right to shoot my assault rifle at the target range since they are all pre-ban.

*Lengthening the waiting period for taking possession of a handgun from three days to 10. That’s fine; I am unaffected since, in Florida, my concealed carry license exempts me from any waiting period, one of the perks in having a FBI background check. I think they should also make the waiting period for purchasing any kind of hunting rifle or shotgun dependant on the hunter demonstrating that he can accurately hit his target under timed pressure. When he can demonstrate that he can humanely kill a poor animal with proper shot placement, then he can complete the purchase of his hunting rifle or shotgun. After all, animals killed by hunters are often never found due to poor shot placement or left to rot in the woods after being harvested only as a trophy. It in no way affects my right to shoot my assault rifle at the target range.

*Require annual background checks of those who hold Firearm Owners Identification Cards. If they do require annual checks, they should also test for drugs and alcohol. Especially during hunting season. A large number hunters that I know spend as much time boozing as they do hunting. Check all you want. It in no way affects my right to shoot my assault rifle at the range there is a zero tolerance for drugs and alcohol.

*Increase the cost of a FOID card. They should increase the cost of hunting licenses as well to pay for habitat reconstruction and litter pickup. Nothing pains my eyes more than to see the beer cans, Vienna sausage cans, and the survey ribbon strewed about the woods where I like to enjoy nature’s peace & solitude. I see trees shot to pieces by bored hunters, shotgun shell casings everywhere and the ground all rutted up by their 4 wheel drive trucks and their 4 wheelers. The dog hunters are even worse. Dogs run off every kind of creature, I’ve seen angry hunters shot their hunting dogs for not obeying a command and every year I see abandoned hunting dogs along the roadside. The increased fees would no way affects my right to shoot my assault rifle since we have trash cans and people are required to pick up their brass at the gun range.

*Mandate background checks of people who buy firearms at gun shows. With my CCW permit, I paid for my right to buy my guns unharrassed. Hunters should have to go through a background check every time they buy guns or ammo no matter where they buy from to check for DUI violations and hunting violations. It in no way affects my right to shoot my assault rifle at the gun range.

*State licensing of gun dealers and a state database of gun information. Gun dealers are already licensed, fingerprinted and photographed by the Federal Government; BATF makes regular records inspections at dealer’s places of business as well. Perhaps a higher hunting license fee to pay for the states costs in maintaining this database since hunters have the most right to possess firearms. It will in no way affect my right to shoot my assault rifle at the gun range since I don't need a hunting license to shoot paper.

*Increased penalty for secret compartments in vehicles for weapons. When my handgun is stolen from my vehicle, I want State subsidized insurance that pays %100 for replacing my stolen gun. I also want a state release from liability for what that gun is used for after being stolen. But I seriously doubt criminals would have an interest in an encased hunting rifle or shotgun laid openly on the seat or small pistol case for that matter, you can't tell what's in a gun case right?. It in no way affects my right to shoot my assault rifle at the gun range since I use something other than a gun case for transport my rifle in and I disguise it well and my handgun is always on my person.

Daley's proposals make no sense, just like any other anti-gun proposal. Murder is illegal, domestic abuse is illegal, robbery is illegal but no piece of paper or law book has ever stopped a crime much less a bullet But handguns have and do so everyday. If "assault rifles" were such a problem, we'd hear about it everyday but, in fact, criminals are the problem and legislators do nothing but turn them back out on the street. By keeping crime high, legislators secure & justify their own jobs. According to a world report by UNICEF, the number one killer of children in developed nations is automobiles. And there are far too many of them on the road, and they damage the environment. Why don't we ban them and only allow police and military to operate motor vehicles.

I am a gun nut who doesn’t hunt. Guns mean more than life to me.

(It is with sarcasm that I criticize hunters, I do believe in hunting, I wanted to make a point about the stereotypes imposed on all gun owners, hunters included, so don't flame me over this, I support hunting and I am studying to become a hunter education instructor in Florida)

117 posted on 02/17/2003 9:05:17 AM PST by chuknospam
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It is tragic what passes for a man these days.
123 posted on 02/17/2003 9:13:45 AM PST by Search4Truth (2nd Amendment - acknowledges and protects a pre-existing human right.)
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Yet another idiot hunter who doesn't understand that the 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.
126 posted on 02/17/2003 9:40:12 AM PST by Redcloak (Jøìn thë Çøålìtìon tø Prëvënt the Åbûsë of Ûnnëçëssårìlÿ Lëngthÿ, Vërbøsë ånd Nønsënsìçål Tåg Lìnës)
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If the author believes the 2nd Amendment only applies to hunters and sportsmen, then let him start the process rolling to have the wording of the 2nd Amendment so state.

Idiot. I have nothing but contempt for the mushbrained. 'Pod

129 posted on 02/17/2003 10:09:00 AM PST by sauropod (It's OK to drive an SUV if it helps you get babes.....)
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I guess he dosen't realize that his hunting rifle today, is a high power sniper rifle tomorrow, that only the cops and government officials should have access to.

This guy is a fool.

130 posted on 02/17/2003 10:27:54 AM PST by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "General Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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*A ban on military-style, semi-automatic assault weapons. I absolutely agree. It should have been done years ago. The problem for hunters is the definition of assault rifles; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

Bullcrap. There are many semi-auto hunting firearms. BTW - WTF is an assault weapon? Assault rifle? They are already class III.

*Restrict handgun purchases to one per person per month. For my money, you could ban handguns completely. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

Bullcrap. You think they will stop there? What about handgun hunting.

*Gun fingerprinting. I have no problem with that other than it is another governmental intrusion into our lives. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.
How many crimes will this solve.

*Lengthening the waiting period for taking possession of a handgun from three days to 10. Hey, make it a month, a year, 10 years. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.
memememememememememmeemmemememe - see a pattern. *Require annual background checks of those who hold Firearm Owners Identification Cards. I think that will be a logistical nightmare and should not be enacted for that reason. Otherwise, check all you want. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.
Yet.

*Increase the cost of a FOID card. It annoys me. It will cost me. But it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.
same ole song and dance

*Mandate background checks of people who buy firearms at gun shows. Absolutely. That should have been in place years ago. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.
We HAVE that.

*State licensing of gun dealers and a state database of gun information. Go ahead. I think it will be a logistical nightmare; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.
It'll increase the cost of firearms dumbass.

I'm going to say it right here. This selfish gun grabbing bastard is the WORST TYPE OF GUN GRABBER.

I'm also going to say this. You don't have a right to hunt, and if I didn't know that there were good gunowners in Illinois, I'd push for a hunting ban in Illinois just to piss this guy off.

131 posted on 02/17/2003 10:30:34 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Yippee Kai Aye......")
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The Second Amendment is not about hunting.
132 posted on 02/17/2003 10:33:39 AM PST by Destructor
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My guess is this clown isn't related to Henry Bowman.
134 posted on 02/17/2003 10:47:11 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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My e-mail to Bowman:

Mr. Bowman, I read your column in the Sun Times net version about how you are a hunter, own guns, but don't consider yourself a "gun-nut". I assure you, that the only gun nuts are those, like the Brady Bunch at the VPC, who are not reasonable when it comes to firearms. I am sure that you are sincere, but in my humble opinion, I think you are terribly misguided. A short review of the history of the Second Amendment should make it clear that that right is NOT about hunting, but about the people having the ability to resist tyranny and to defend the homeland.

That is what the Founder's intended,and that is why certain arms which you might not want to own are protected. I might remind you that you are playing right into the hands of those who would deny you and your grandchildren the freedom that so many Americans fought and died for over the last 225 years. And make no mistake, those enemies of freedom who you think are "reasonable" will be only too happy to ban your hunting arms right along with those so-called 'assault weapons'. Its only a matter of time: the Brady Bunch and most of the Democratic Party wants to ban and confiscate ALL firearms, including your precious family heirloom. Think about it.

45Auto

150 posted on 02/17/2003 12:00:06 PM PST by 45Auto
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Sorry, I could only read number one and had to bail...I'll bump the thread for others to see, that's all I can do with it...

SR

152 posted on 02/17/2003 12:16:24 PM PST by sit-rep
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Can we hunt this guy?
153 posted on 02/17/2003 12:16:40 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: SJackson; wardaddy; Jeff Head; SLB; Fred Mertz; Dan from Michigan; Travis McGee; Shooter 2.5; ...
As hunters, we must learn to separate ourselves from the gun nuts, those who would oppose every firearm restriction

The old divide and conquer thang at work here folks.......More of the 1st amendment freedoms trying to kill the one thing that keeps presstitutes in business.....the 2nd amendment.

Stay Safe !

157 posted on 02/17/2003 12:27:42 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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There is no constitutionally protected right to hunt squirrels or deer or to own a shotgun or a .22. The constitution protects the right to keep and bear ARMS. I don't want to offend anybody but the defining feature of an arm, firearm or otherwise, is that it is designed to kill human beings. While certain arms may be used for hunting they should not be classified as arms when used for such purposes.

Nasty black rifles are exactly what our constitution protects. Squirrel rifles and shotguns have no standing under the constitution, except to the extent that they can be used to kill people, or to provide a deterrent to the unlawful actions of people.
158 posted on 02/17/2003 12:30:10 PM PST by SBprone
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