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Apparently Joschka Fischer is not only a spinelss anti-American weasel, he also has a habit of lying under oath. And this weasel has the nerve to tell Secretary Rumsfeld that we don't have the right to defend ourselves against Iraq.
1 posted on 02/15/2003 8:52:26 PM PST by defenderSD
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To: defenderSD
Damn. That's some serious stuff. The German position makes a lot more sense now. They're run by f-ing commies!
2 posted on 02/15/2003 9:06:28 PM PST by bubbac
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To: defenderSD
Fischer is indeed a sleazy, wimpy, dishonest communist sympathizer. He has no business giving any advice to Rummy.
3 posted on 02/15/2003 9:09:24 PM PST by carl in alaska (Hey Jacques!....What are you trying to hide?)
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To: defenderSD
Joshka Fischer can go to Hell.
5 posted on 02/15/2003 9:23:31 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: defenderSD

7 posted on 02/15/2003 9:47:25 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion
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To: defenderSD
So far, the only one I can find [Fischer in the black helmet].


8 posted on 02/15/2003 9:54:25 PM PST by VaBthang4 (Jeremiah 51;24 "..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: defenderSD
Another one...[Fischer in the black helmet]


9 posted on 02/15/2003 9:59:11 PM PST by VaBthang4 (Jeremiah 51;24 "..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: All; defenderSD; spetznaz; Cultural Jihad; justshe; Mo1
I believe Fischer when he says that he wasnt a terrorist. He doesnt have the balls to be a terrorist. He is a snivelling coward and I have more respect for Osama Bin Laden than I do for Fischer.


Joschka Fischer and Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul at an easter-demonstration against the nuclear power station.


PLO flag during the congress in Algier (1969), that Joschka Fischer (now German foreign minister) attended.

13 posted on 02/15/2003 10:27:33 PM PST by VaBthang4 (Jeremiah 51;24 "..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: defenderSD
The author mentions terrorist Hans Joachim Klein, who dodged the law for 24 years following his active participation in a murderous assault in Vienna.

What he doesn't say is that for many years until he was apprehended, Klein was living in a rural French village under an assumed name.

His contacts to his former buddies in the "movement", including Fischer and Daniel-Cohn Bendit, had not stopped! As a matter of fact, was indicted for aiding and abetting a fugitive from the law - he went to France and put money in his friend's hand. Unfortunately nothing ever came of the prosecutor's efforts.

Cohn-Bendit and Fischer were, and still are, welded together at the hip. I have no doubt whatsoever that Fischer knew where his former butt buddy Klein was all through the years. He is dirty. He knew.

The bizarre irony is, when all these revelations about Fischer's violent past came up a couple of years ago, not only his leftist confederates in the media, but also many conservatives pooh-poohed it as "water down the bridge". Apparently the consensus was that Fischer was the prodigal son, who had "come home" to civil society and brought the whole maggot-infested, smelly pack of Castro-loving, shiftless bastards with him "into the mainstream".

If anyone wants to learn more about this fine fellow Fischer, Bettina Roehl has a dossier on the scumbag. In one of the ironic twists in life, Ms. Roehl happens to be the daughter of German terrorist and murderer Ulrike Meinhof. In spite of her parent, Roehl managed to break out of the lies and propaganda of the left, and is a fearless fighter against communism, anti-Semitism, and for the truth.

The German media have done their level best to kill her by silence and innuendo. I hope there is an afterlife and every terrorist and every communist and every fellow traveler suffers in hell.

17 posted on 02/15/2003 10:53:59 PM PST by tictoc
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To: defenderSD
I bet a German Foreign Minister with links to terrorism wouldn't have any problem at all with helping to grease the wheels on sales of weapons and tech to a terrorist country like Iraq.
21 posted on 02/15/2003 11:05:10 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: defenderSD
http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr249/harman.htm

Chris Harman looks at the political life of Germany's foreign minister Joschka Fischer Published February 2001

'Joschka Fischer--we knew him as the stick man. He'd stand at the back of meetings and hand out sticks for breaking windows on demonstrations.' So a German socialist told me two years ago. By then Fischer was German foreign minister, and enthusing over the bombing of Serbia and Kosovo by Nato planes using bombs that were tipped with depleted uranium.

I assumed the story about Fischer was, to say the least, somewhat exaggerated--as the best stories often are. But then last month reports from Germany suggested there might be more truth to it than I first thought. Fischer was a witness in the trial of someone accused of an armed attack on an Opec ministers' meeting in Vienna 25 years ago, and in the course of the trial a photo appeared in the press, supposedly showing him as a helmeted demonstrator attacking a policeman. This produced screams of outrage about the 'violent past' of the foreign minister from those sections of the German press sympathetic to the opposition Christian Democrats (Tories)--as if somehow the few bruises to a policeman a quarter of a century ago are in the same league as the horrendous deaths he helped cause in Serbia and Kosovo recently.

His past should, however, be of interest to people involved in the anti-capitalist movements today for the experiences which radicalised him at one point in his life were very similar to those which have been radicalising people since Seattle. He told the court how he was committed to non-violence until an Easter 1968 rally. This was immediately after the attempted assassination by the German student leader Rudi Dutschke. Fischer was lying on the ground and asked himself, 'Why always let yourself be hit?' After that, he tells, 'We decided to defend ourselves.'

His reaction was very similar to that of many thousands of young people across the world at the time. Liberals, social democrats and pacifists saw horrors like the war in Vietnam or the assassination of Martin Luther King in the US, and proclaimed themselves 'revolutionaries' en masse. There was, however, an argument everywhere about what it means to be revolutionary.

Some of us argued that the key to fighting back successfully against the system was reaching out from the relatively narrow milieux involved in the existing protest movement to sink roots among the great mass of the world's people who suffered from the system in their everyday lives--especially the rapidly expanding ranks of the world's working class.

The often more popular response was to simply see things in terms of the existing movements becoming more militant. This was the path Fischer followed. He did not carry the idea to its logical conclusion, as did those people who took to planting bombs or shooting prominent ruling class figures--the path of the Baader-Meinhof group in Germany, the Red Brigades in Italy and the Weathermen in the US. But he did opt to join the ranks of what was known as the Frankfurt Spontis.

This group, whose leading figure was Dany Cohn-Bendit, combined the belief that somehow China was socialist with a hostility to 'Leninist' organisation. In practice this meant it rejected attempts to carry revolutionary socialist political argument into the organised working class. Instead it glorified in the 'spontaneity' of an already radicalised minority whose protests turned into street fighting with the police. Its approach exacerbated an already existing trend in Germany in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Revolutionaries tended to inhabit 'red' ghettos confined to the universities of cities like Frankfurt and Berlin. The Spontis simply extended the ghettos a little to encompass groups like squatters.

People soon found in practice that street fighting by an isolated radical minority could not budge German capitalism. They began to feel something more was needed. Groups like the Baader-Meinhof Red Army Fraction emerged--and were regarded with respect by many of the street fighting milieux. They seemed to be the ones who were taking seriously the notion of confrontation with the system. But precisely because they too were a minority, the state found it easy to destroy them. The Red Army Fraction, the Weathermen and the Red Brigades were all crushed mercilessly.

Many of the leading Spontis and autonomists followed a different path. The minority, they reasoned, could not change society violently, and therefore it had to pursue what Rudi Dutschke called 'the long march through the institutions'. The street fighters in leather jackets and jeans had to become the Green parliamentary candidates in leather jackets and jeans, organised in a 'non-hierarchical' fashion. And when they found they could not get more than about 5 percent of the vote (the level needed to get parliamentary seats in Germany), Fischer told them that they had to break with 'fundamentalism' and become 'realist Greens'. They embraced a hierarchical form of organisation, abandoned any residual hostility to capitalism, donned suits or took to power dressing, collaborated with right wing social democrats, and, eventually, joined governments prepared to engage in the sort of imperialist violence that had once so enraged them.

The story is worth telling today because we can see some of the same trends at work in the new anti-capitalist movements. People beaten and teargassed by the state are having again to think through how a radical minority can act effectively. And again the easy answer can be that of simply being better prepared to use more militant tactics on demonstrations.

In the US the misnamed 'Black Block' of hardline (almost all white) anarchists has tried to give the impression that it is the most serious force on the successor demonstrations to Seattle, while in Europe the neo-autonomist organisation Ya Basta!, with its Michelin man like demonstration gear, presents itself as the model others should follow.

Both fail to understand that demonstrations do exactly what the name implies--they demonstrate our hostility to the system. They act as a focus for discontent, as a way of drawing together people with differing discontents. But they cannot in themselves break the hold of the system, however militant and well organised they are--unless, that is, the movement finds ways of involving the vast mass of working people who, at the moment, are still standing on the sidelines (or, more likely, watching us on television).

'Street Fighting Man' may look heroic. But it is only 'Mass Organising Person' who can really take on the system.


22 posted on 02/15/2003 11:09:52 PM PST by Liberty Reigns
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To: defenderSD
The Greens don't wear the silly uniforms, goose step, and spout the racist hatred that the Nazis did (although anti-Americanism is becoming a substitute for anti-Semitism), but if you scratch the surface and start making some inquiries, you will start to find some profoundly disturbing affinities between much of the National Socialist platform and worldview and that of the Greens.

Joschka Fischer strikes me as just the type that could someday become a "New Age Hitler" -- maybe even someday soon.

24 posted on 02/15/2003 11:16:27 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: defenderSD
This puts the Weasels in better view.
67 posted on 02/16/2003 5:06:20 PM PST by Gritty
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To: defenderSD
Index bump.
69 posted on 02/16/2003 5:29:26 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This Space Intentionally Blank)
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To: defenderSD
Its interesting how many of these former terrorist and militant Communist are now in government and/or at the UN. Not unlike the leftists radicals who spearheaded the anti-American riots in this country in the 70s they realized their revolution wasn't gonna happen. So in order to bring about their agenda they shaved, cut their hair, traded jeans for business suits. Now instead of throwing rocks and molatov cocktails from the outside they're trying to destroy the establishment from within.

Honestly, Fischer, Klein and Cohn-Bendit sound like the German branch of the Clinton family.

74 posted on 02/16/2003 9:18:52 PM PST by Darlin' (The choice is clear, you stand with us or you stand with terrorist)
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To: defenderSD; Sparta
.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Armed Services Committee..

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629
79 posted on 02/17/2003 6:01:09 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ( ..Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LzXRay.com .)
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To: defenderSD
On some deep inner level, the Germans are incapable of actually feeling guilt for the political consequences of their romanticism.

All nations are vulnerable in our Age of War to total belief in the goodness of the 'volk'. Until a people becomes historically aware, it is destined to be tossed about by the contradictory storms of Late intellectualism.

The Germans have proven to be especially vulnerable to socio-political 'mob-think', in which individual responsibility is discarded, and no blame may be apportioned-- 'it was just the way things were, then'.

The Germans are masters of dissimulation, at least.

And then there's the French! ;^)

82 posted on 02/17/2003 7:20:07 AM PST by headsonpikes
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