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The Senate, the President, and Judges (Seventeenth Amendment, nation hostage to despotic rule)
conservativeviewsandforum ^ | 6/20/01 | conservativeviewsandforum

Posted on 02/15/2003 6:31:11 AM PST by TLBSHOW

The Senate, the President, and Judges

The Seventeenth Amendment in giving Senators the power to by- pass state interests and pander to citizen constituency interests only heightens and hastens the march to socialism. Our nation has different interests as has been explained previously and to remain a republic we must have separate powers looking after those interests.

Essentially our type of rule is three governments in one consisting of three branches, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, each with different responsibilities. To suppose equality between them, each having the same equal powers is no truer than the so-called equality of people working together in the pursuit of some goal. The only equality is the right to pursue the goal; and in that pursuit each will be required to do different things; and each will have different responsibilities. So it is with the three branches of government.

The president is the representative all the people (regardless of politics or other belief) of the whole nation. Each House member represents the people of a given district in a state. Next the Supreme Court is the representative of the law and the Constitution. And the senators represent the state interests as was stated in a previous essay. Though each one has different duties, the responsibility and the goal is to ensure freedom and liberty by protecting the people from excess by any one or two of the three. When none of the three protect us from the excesses of government, we then have severe problems with maintaining our republic. That brings us back to the Senate and direct election.

Elbridge Gerry, 213 years ago argued during the Constitutional Convention against the direct election of U.S. senators by the people and warned, "The people have two great interests, the landed interest, and the commercial, including the stockholders. To draw both branches from the people will leave no security to the latter interest; the people being chiefly composed of the landed interest, and erroneously supposing that the other interests are adverse to it [that is, that they tend to embrace the Marxist notion that the rich despise and exploit them]." The Senate is to protect the interest of the wealthy and the rich which may leave many with their mouths hanging open as they read this. When Senators excoriate the rich and wealthy for being rich and wealthy they are guilty of nonfeasance (failure to do what duty requires to be done i.e. not looking after the interests of their respective states.) Party affiliation makes no difference and that then includes nearly all of the so-called wise ones making them guilty as charged.

James Madison recognized the dangers in exposing the system to an equal but separate type of power for everyone (direct election). He said, "No agrarian [socialist] attempts have yet been made in this country; but symptoms of a leveling spirit ... have sufficiently appeared in a certain quarter to give notice of the future danger. The direct election has created an equality of power situation, if not a wedding of two of the three powers to the detriment of the nation. Those powers are the Supreme Court and the Senate.

The Constitution in Article II, Section 2, clause 2, reads, He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. The advice and consent on judges of the Supreme court is the issue at hand and provides the wedding of the Senate and the Court, brought about by the XVII Amendment as will be seen in the next week’s article.

The Senate members in all of their supposed wisdom do not understand their duties, much less the entire Constitution. That is painfully obvious when they speak and write. Their duties are advice and consent with nothing more and nothing less. The word advice causes a bit of a problem but the definition of it is to give opinion and on that they fall short of understanding. They think their duty is to dictate to the President what person is sent or who is not sent for consent. The duty they have is part of the balance to protect the Constitution, not an exercise in choosing those with the proper socialist ideology, which they favor.

Every President takes an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. It is his sworn duty to send to the Senate nominees for the Supreme Court who are well grounded and well versed in the United States Constitution in all respects. Those nominated are not to have an agenda other than ruling by the words contained in the document to stop or prevent unconstitutional acts by the other two branches or states when called upon to do so. Conversely, if the President does not send qualified nominees, the Senate is within its power to give advice and refuse their consent. That happened when FDR tied to pack the court with his cronies so that his socialist agenda would have legal backing. (Being shut off from a scheme to regulate farm products during the depression, FDR tried to load the court with cronies to make an end run against the Constitution. That would have forged an unholy alliance destructive to every freedom we have.)

Now what is advice? It is simply a message to the President to send those who understand the Constitution and will follow it; then and only then can they give consent. Advice and consent is one of the checks on presidential power that would become too great if not reigned in by the refusal to give consent. The Senate stopped FDR with Article II as they were supposed to do.

With the power usurpation by the Senate, the nation is now hostage to a despotic rule that the founders never intended but knew could happen. That is obvious when the federal papers James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay and now the worst fears of the founders have crawled out of the closet. With direct election of Senators the power of the President has been diminished and the power of both the Supreme Court and Senate enhanced unbalancing the powers and destroying separation.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: 17thamendment; judges; president; senate; seventeenthamendment
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To: TLBSHOW
Our system of government, I believe, is still strong.

These individuals are broken and need to be removed. Election 2004 hopefully will be the answer to removing a large number of them.

Harry Reid
Tom Daschle
John Corzine
Tim Johnson
Patrick Leahy
Charles Schumer
Barbara Boxer
Robert Byrd
Hillary Clinton
Russ Feingold
Patrick Leahy
Patty Murry
Sarbanes
Richard Durbin

So that it's bipartisan I'll add

Arlan "Scottish Rule" Spectre
Jim "jumping" Jeffords

They are petty, unforgiving, bitter individuals who can't see past their own personal issues to govern on behalf of America.
21 posted on 02/27/2003 7:05:50 PM PST by swheats
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To: swheats
I AGREE AND FROM THE STORY I POSTED ABOVE MAKES YOUR POINT RATHER WELL ...

The duty they have is part of the balance to protect the Constitution, not an exercise in choosing those with the proper SOCIALIST ideology, which they favor.

22 posted on 02/27/2003 7:08:40 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
BTTT!
23 posted on 02/28/2003 6:56:04 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
In these times of having to destroy liberals, the destruction ain't gonna be pretty but it must be done! They are all a threat to our government.
24 posted on 02/28/2003 7:24:30 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: All
direct link in to source.....

http://www.conservativeviewsandforum.com/Senate_President_page_12.htm
25 posted on 02/28/2003 7:37:22 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: chnsmok
ping this needs bumping a lot can you help?
26 posted on 03/01/2003 10:52:19 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: All
reversing 17th amendment is one of the missions of freerepublic.....


We call for the repeal of the 17th amendment, which will reverse the independence of the Senate and reestablish the Senate as a representative of the State governments, as intended by the Founding Fathers. This arrangement was intended to be a critical check against illegal federal expansion over the States, and the people residing in the various States, and will act to return the powers not granted to the federal government, as enumerated in the Constitution, to the states.




27 posted on 03/01/2003 10:54:49 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: swheats
Could you put Patty Osama Mama Murry on the TOP of the list. It would just look good there :-)
28 posted on 03/01/2003 11:32:41 AM PST by chnsmok
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To: TLBSHOW
Just once I would like to see a rat do something that is good for the country instead of what is good for their party.
29 posted on 03/01/2003 11:35:09 AM PST by chnsmok
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To: chnsmok
Trust me there's a tie for first place. It works out for me since I'm from Vegas to see Harry sent home to his family first.
30 posted on 03/01/2003 11:46:13 AM PST by swheats
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To: swheats
Are you sure his family wants him? We will get all those turkeys out of there!
31 posted on 03/01/2003 11:52:54 AM PST by chnsmok
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To: swheats
I'd toss all 100 of them out. In my book, they're all compromised. Whether by their own fault or not, there are 900 FBI files floating around that compromises the whole body.

I'm not as concerned about the House, as there are 435 of them, their constituencies are pretty small, and they are up for re-election every two years, but there are only 100 Senators, they're there for six years at a time, and they have a HUGE impact on things.

-PJ

32 posted on 03/01/2003 11:53:44 AM PST by Political Junkie Too
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To: chnsmok
Well now you know what the saying is. He doesn't have to go home, but he has to leave the Senate.

33 posted on 03/01/2003 11:57:42 AM PST by swheats
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To: Political Junkie Too
All 100? There's a few strong ones on the GOP side. They just needed a strong leader like Bush to remind them of who they are and why they come to Washington to fight.

I hope Spectre get a deep desire to spend time with the family and move along.
34 posted on 03/01/2003 12:00:50 PM PST by swheats
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To: chnsmok
BTTT!!!!
35 posted on 03/01/2003 12:29:51 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: swheats
Yes. All 100 -- a clean sweep.

I know there are strong GOP Senators, but IMO, the whole body is corrupted. It's time to start over with fresh blood.

-PJ

36 posted on 03/01/2003 1:04:05 PM PST by Political Junkie Too
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To: yoe
bump
37 posted on 03/04/2003 6:27:26 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Grand Old Partisan; aristeides
bump
38 posted on 03/20/2003 9:46:59 AM PST by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth......)
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To: TLBSHOW
Was the 17th Amendment an unconstitutional amendment? Article V of the Constitution does not allow constitutional amendments that deprive a state of its equal representation in the Senate without the state's consent. Did the 17th Amendment deprive states that did not ratify of their equal representation without their consent?
39 posted on 03/20/2003 12:53:47 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
check this out its time to end the 17th Amendment.


Among the concerns expressed by all about the damage caused by the 17th it is clear that the best understood harm is the fact that within the lawmaking body of Congress the form of government has been altered from a Republican form to a Democratic form. What is not so universally understood is that;

http://www.lessonsofthepast.com/crp/17thAmendment/




40 posted on 03/20/2003 1:02:41 PM PST by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth......)
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