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1 posted on 02/15/2003 3:50:09 AM PST by summer
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To: summer
Good Morning summer, From The New York Times that's good.
2 posted on 02/15/2003 3:55:46 AM PST by not-alone
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To: summer
I read that editorial earlier and thought I had mistakenly hit the button for the NY Post or something. What's gotten into the Times? This is a complete turnaround for them.
3 posted on 02/15/2003 3:56:05 AM PST by Timeout
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To: summer
I just fell off my chair!!! Whatever will the anti-war movement say now? Someone in Howell Raines' PR department went off message. This is not your usual bash America run of the mill editorial you find in the pages of the New York Times.
6 posted on 02/15/2003 4:11:58 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: summer
this is because the real Times, (not the kitty litter one) in London, really blasted the whole farce.
8 posted on 02/15/2003 4:26:37 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: summer
If this is really and truly an editorial from The Old Grey Lady, not only is it shocking that they have finally come to their senses, but it means that Maureen Dowd is probably heading straight for her kitchen to slit her wrists.
9 posted on 02/15/2003 4:32:08 AM PST by UncleSamUSA
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To: summer
. France's wishful thinking [would] lead . . . [to] Baghdad's continu[al] dribbling out [of] meaningless concessions such as yesterday's laughable decree that the development of weapons of mass destruction is now prohibited in Iraq.
10 posted on 02/15/2003 4:32:32 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: summer
I guess the NY Times editors took a listen to the smarmy French Villepin's sophistry, took a look at his smug grin as he seduced the world's press corps, and decided to answer his main argument with this:

"The only way short of war to get Saddam Hussein to reverse course at this late hour is to make clear that the Security Council is united in its determination to disarm him and is now ready to call in the cavalry to get the job done. America and Britain are prepared to take that step. The time has come for the others" [are you listening Mr Villepin?] "to quit pretending that inspections alone are the solution."
12 posted on 02/15/2003 4:40:34 AM PST by UncleSamUSA
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To: summer
A week ago the (liberal) N.Y. Times' columnist Thomas Friedman came out strongly on the Bush administration's side of this argument.

An now this.

It is an acknlowledgement of the inevitability of a quick, effective war.
16 posted on 02/15/2003 4:51:44 AM PST by edwin hubble
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To: summer
I'm numb from shock. Thunderstruck by what I saw at the U.N. Friday.

It was a staggering day of astounding surprises -- geopolitical bombshells were dropping and detonating at every turn. I felt overwhelmed.

Bill of particulars?

Sheesh, where, O where to begin?

First -- and boy, is this a shocker! -- after one, no, two, no, three...wait, 5, oops, 10? Okay, I forget: How many U.N. resolutions on Iraq are there? Oh, yeah, that's right -- 17. Well, after 17 U.N. resolutions, 12 years of defiance, imagine my shock -- SHOCK! -- to learn Iraq was still (gasp!) in defiance, thumbing its nose at the League of Nations, oops, I meant the United Nations

Okay, I'll admit that was low -- comparing the U.N. to the League of Nations is demeaning . . . to the League of Nations. Those clowns in New York make the Boulder, Colorado police look competent.

More stunners:

--Hans Blix told the U.N. Security Council that, after 3 months, no weapons of mass destruction have turned up -- nor has any convincing evidence that U.N. inspectors are likelier to find the stuff than, say, O.J. at finding the "real killers." You're better off calling Miss Cleo's psyhic hotline. On the upside, Saddam's denials, on a credibility scale, rank right there with Michael Jackson claiming he's had only 2 operations performed on his nose. Mini-Me actor Verne Troyer will quit the boozing before Saddam quits the weapons of mass destruction habit.

--The French, often the butt of jokes as sniveling cowards, were surprisingly tough, standing up to a "brutal dictator." No brutal dictator is going to push the French around -- no siree. Problem is: In the eyes of those sniveling cowards -- the French -- Bush was the brutal dictator.

French Foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin demanded that inspections -- which are not inspections because Saddam won't give inspectors anything to inspect -- more time . . . oh, and more airplanes, more offices, more maps, more pencils, more paper, more puters, more CDs, more drones, more giger counters. Then, if all that fails, more talks! And if more talks fail, an 18th U.N. resolution calling for. . . a new round of talks!

--Russia praised Saddam for allowing interview of scientists without minders standing by -- okay with fewer minders standing by (3 minders instead of 5) -- yes! Wonderful progress! A huge leap forward! But progress didn't stop there. In his zeal to cooperate, Saddam's even planting fewer bugs at hotel rooms of U.N. inspectors. Let's see, fewer bugs, fewer minders can mean only one thing: Saddam's going wobbly. Give inspections another 12 years, and he'll cave. (For peaceniks, how's that for a slogan? "Twelve more years! Twelve more years!")

And Democrat reaction? Bush needs to build a coalition. The U.S. can't go it alone with the U.K., Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Italy, Australia, Turkey, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Albania, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Macedonia, Slovenia, Croatia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Czech Republic! The 25 or so countries with us aren't, well, countries enough.

But fret not, for here's the bottom line: Iraq will soon have some Real Weapons Inspectors. How soon? Oh, just as soon as their Commander-in-Chief says, 'Go!'

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"A key piece of the information leading to the recent terror alerts was fabricated," reported completely objective and neutral ABCNEWS Friday morning, fueling a big 'Ah-Ha!-We-Knew-Bush-Ginned-The-Whole-Thing-Up-To-Whip-Up-Support-For-His-War!' media splash.

"The officials said that a claim made by a captured al-Qaeda member that Washington, New York, or Florida would be hit by a 'dirty bomb' sometime this week had proven to be a product of his imagination," claimed the completely objective and neutral report, False Alarm?, by completely objective and neutral reporters, Brian Ross, Len Tepper and Jill Rackmill.

An al-Qaeda sleeper cell in Virginia or Detroit had, according to this informant, a "detailed plan" to dirty bomb "government buildings and Christian or clerical centers," having cooked up ingenious means to elude security checks.

"Former CIA counter-terrorism chief" and network consultant Vince Cannistraro (also completely objective and neutral) called the 'fabrication' "the reason for a lot of the alarm," insinuating the feds screwed up royally by raising the threat alert status based on a fabricated report before giving the "informant" a polygraph which he flunked.

So, given the feds screwed up royally by raising the threat alert status based on a fabricated report, the feds are set to reverse course -- put the thing back where it was before the goof, right?

Well, no, because, er, (as we learn only well into the article) the threat alert status was not raised based on a fabricated report but on "other (validated) intelligence that officials still believe points to a coming attack, timed to hostilities with Iraq."

In other words, completely objective and neutral ABCNEWS, in their noble zeal to cast the Bush administration in the worst possible light, based their report that the feds had screwed up royally by raising the threat alert status on a fabrication that wasn't the reason why they raised the threat alert status in the first place.

Incidentally, had the thrust of the story been correct -- it wasn't -- the worst the feds might be accused of is, well, screwing up. Nothing more venal than that.

There was, however, nothing unintentional in ABCNEWS' handling of this story. Their hyped "report" was intentionally misleading.

Anyway, that's..

My two cents..
"JohnHuang2"


17 posted on 02/15/2003 4:52:04 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: summer
I have to give the NYT editorial board credit for their stance on this issue, but disagree with their recommendation that "The Security Council ... needs to pass a new resolution that sets a deadline for unconditional Iraqi compliance and authorizes military action if Baghdad falls short".

The Iraqis were given 90 days to disarm following the 1991 Gulf War and a second chance 11 years later with UN Resolution 1441. Both have been ignored by Iraq, and it's time for a coalition of the willing to enforce the consequences of Iraq's behavior.

Every parent knows that you cannot shape the behavior of a child unless clear rules are set and the consequences of misbehavior are delivered. President Bush understands this simple truth but some on the Security Council and others around the world don't. It's high time that the world gets a lesson in parenting from the tip of the spear - The 101st Airborne.

18 posted on 02/15/2003 4:52:14 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (Let's Roll)
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"Whoever conquers a free town and does not demolish it commits a great error and may expect to be ruined himself."

-- Niccolo Machiavelli, "The Prince," 1513

21 posted on 02/15/2003 4:53:35 AM PST by pkpjamestown
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To: summer
Do the French take their marching orders from the NYT? It'll be curious to see if the French and the Democrats change their tune. Dashcle was still pretty much pro-saddam as of yesterday, Liberman was not.
23 posted on 02/15/2003 5:02:39 AM PST by libertylover
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To: summer
Maybe Aziz's public expression of anti-semitism, yesterday, did the trick.

The Jews of Iraq [Iraqi anti-semitism]

26 posted on 02/15/2003 5:53:22 AM PST by syriacus (Going to the UN is like being locked in the Castle of Despair. Better to stay far away, Pilgrim.)
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To: summer
The worm has turned...
27 posted on 02/15/2003 5:57:42 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: summer
Punch Sulzberger must be taking the long weekend off and one of the guys in the ad display section snuck in and wrote this.
28 posted on 02/15/2003 5:59:30 AM PST by speedy
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New York, February 15, 2003 (Reuters):

In a stunning climatic development, calling into question the entire global warming hypothesis, Hell froze over last night. Initial signs of the big Hadean freezeup were noted on West 43rd Street, where the New York Times editorial board endorsed the Bush Administration view of war in Iraq.

31 posted on 02/15/2003 6:46:22 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: summer
This is positive. What I think it means is that The New York Times owners realize that further opposition to the war will see (1) The Washington Post replace the Times as the newspaper of record in this country (IMHO, it should be the Washington Times) and (2) the administration really shutting down the Times' access to government.
32 posted on 02/15/2003 7:20:43 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: summer; broomhilda
What a nice surprise! **Bump**
33 posted on 02/15/2003 7:23:05 AM PST by TwoStep (Ignorance can be cured, stupid is forever!)
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To: summer
Being of the tinfoil hat mind set the jury is still out for me.

Placing a "balance" editorial comment of a Saturday morning is an old publishing ploy.

I'll wait until after the talking heads chew over the editorial on Sunday morning and then evaluate how the Gray Lady responds next week.

35 posted on 02/15/2003 7:26:03 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: summer
The last check that the NY Slimes got from their cash cow, Soddomite must have bounced or is it snowing in hell with this editorial?
45 posted on 02/15/2003 8:12:34 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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