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China quietly gets ultra-cutting edge advanced SU-30MKK Fighter Bombers from Russia.
Notes from the Pentagon. (Washington Times) via Drudge Headliner ^ | 14 FEB 2003 | Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 02/14/2003 4:27:31 PM PST by vannrox

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:00:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Russia delivered the latest batch of advanced SU-30MKK fighter bombers to China within the past month and additional jets are on the way, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

Russia's arms exports used to be public. But under pressure from Beijing, Moscow agreed to keep secret its major weapons systems transfers to China.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: advanced; china; military; plane; russia; sale; technology
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To: Jorge
Unlike yourself, I am proud of America’s track record as clearly the most awe-inspiring model of benevolence in the recorded history of mankind.

And unlike you, I have seen that money squandered and stolen while millions still starve. Some people equate spending money with solving problems. I don't. We have created an appetite that can never be satisfied.

181 posted on 05/14/2003 5:18:44 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Poohbah
It won't be Russia vs. China. It's a choice of China vs. China, or Russia vs. Russia.

Well, sin is universal, but no freaking way this happens.

If that were the case, they would have incentive to attack us now instead, and attempt that before destroying themselves.

182 posted on 05/14/2003 5:18:50 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
No, your lack of faith in the US is breathtaking.

I understand that some things are really out of our reach, including keeping China or Russia from reaping what they've spent 50-70 years trying to sow.

Sure our prayers have only defeated the Nazies, Imperial Japan and put some sort of order in Europe and South East Asia, that is quite an underachievement for some in terms of stabilizing force.

Thank you for insulting the memory of the people who *FOUGHT* and *DIED* so that feather merchants like you can steal their valor.

183 posted on 05/14/2003 5:19:49 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: AppyPappy
And unlike you, I have seen that money squandered and stolen while millions still starve. Some people equate spending money with solving problems. I don't. We have created an appetite that can never be satisfied.

Indeed, money is a contract between people and it goes directly to people, not to digging ditches. The digging ditches is what people do. Hence the communists' belief that we solely owe debts to each other as humans, and not to God nor to government. However that does not work. The system has and will always be: people, God and government.

184 posted on 05/14/2003 5:23:15 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
Well, sin is universal, but no freaking way this happens.

Guess again. Beijing's control over its military in the hinterland is rather more nominal than actual. Part of Russia will follow the next man on horseback. The other part won't.

If that were the case, they would have incentive to attack us now instead, and attempt that before destroying themselves.

You manage to assume that no one in the outside world can be petty, self-seeking, vindictive against his fellows, and generally just as sinful as any other man.

185 posted on 05/14/2003 5:23:44 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Thank you for insulting the memory of the people who *FOUGHT* and *DIED* so that feather merchants like you can steal their valor.

No, you are insulting me. I pray to God, for America and its soldiers, you gotta problem with this? I know where my debts lay, while you deny America and its fallen's legacy as a stabilization force. You are thee insult.

186 posted on 05/14/2003 5:26:39 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Poohbah
You manage to assume that no one in the outside world can be petty, self-seeking, vindictive against his fellows, and generally just as sinful as any other man.

I guess you ignore completely the technique of ascribing of sins onto others ... well, would you look at yourself?

187 posted on 05/14/2003 5:29:11 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
No, you are insulting me. I pray to God, for America and its soldiers, you gotta problem with this?

I have a problem with you asserting that your prayers are what won the day, not the valor of our soldiers.

I know where my debts lay, while you deny America and its fallen's legacy as a stabilization force.

I don't deny it, shiite-head.

I merely point out that there are limits on what we Americans can do.

And I notice how loudly you scream for others' blood to be shed for your fantasies--and how you don't bother shedding any of your own.

You are thee insult.

I spent eight years of my life guarding your freedom.

I would prefer a simple "thank you."

If you can't spare that, then grab a rifle and stand post.

But kindly do not lecture me on your heroism and valor.

188 posted on 05/14/2003 5:30:54 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: lavaroise
I guess you ignore completely the technique of ascribing of sins onto others ... well, would you look at yourself?

Oh, I am FULLY aware of my sinfulness.

You, on the other hand...well, if ignorance is bliss, you're in freakin' Nirvana.

189 posted on 05/14/2003 5:32:03 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: AppyPappy
And unlike you, I have seen that money squandered and stolen while millions still starve. Some people equate spending money with solving problems. I don't.

Are you denying that the generosity and benevolence of the United States which is unequaled in the history of the world, has ever helped people around the world?

If so, you are incorrect...and you are also changing your argument from "it's not our job", to "it doesn't do any good". Both of which are wrong in the views of most American throughout our history.

190 posted on 05/14/2003 5:32:04 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: chilepepper
The ChiComs only need a few descent squadrons to overwhelm Taiwan.
192 posted on 05/14/2003 6:09:02 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rmlew
The ChiComs only need a few descent squadrons to overwhelm Taiwan.

They aren't GETTING decent squadrons.

US pilots get more flight time in a month than ChiCom pilots get in two years.

193 posted on 05/14/2003 6:12:29 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: belmont_mark
The global strategic situation is getting warmer.

Taiwan and North Korea are the biggest hotspots with the most potential for armed conflict on a large scale. It has more to do that with just China.

194 posted on 05/14/2003 8:48:04 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Go Dub Go
Why is it the war against America? Do we not want other countries to arm themselves? Or we just want to make sure they buy all their arms from the US?

What am I talking about? My exact point about yourself.

195 posted on 05/15/2003 1:51:08 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Poohbah
You, on the other hand...well, if ignorance is bliss, you're in freakin' Nirvana.

You are the one caring so much for me in Nirvana. Seems you know the place better as you have only been insulting me and personaly attacking for, oh, the past 10 posts or more. You obviously have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. As far as I am concerned you simply confine my location in "freakin' Nirvana", you paint, not my own house, but me in colors I do not reflect, and you expect no checks against you but only encouragement while you are doing it.

The necrosis of your ability to think gives you little credence, in fact, me, right or wrong, it disgusts and frightens people.

I don't know, either I am phobic or you share the chinese communists' necrophilia obviously.

196 posted on 05/15/2003 1:58:46 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Poohbah
I have a problem with you asserting that your prayers are what won the day, not the valor of our soldiers.

So like your prayers are much better? Hypocrite.

197 posted on 05/15/2003 2:01:36 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Poohbah
I have a problem with you asserting that your prayers are what won the day, not the valor of our soldiers.

So like your (prayers)(Cross that) necrotic rantings are much better? Hypocrite.

At least my prayers appeal to a worthy mediation and hence a superiority for those soldiers. Your rantings and insults on the other hand deny any sort of care. And you should be worried about a nation that stops praying. If you think prayer is no good, then go live in countries where they think it is no good, and we will see if prayer has no effect. So go to communist China, and stop coming here where prayer is humbly credited.

198 posted on 05/15/2003 2:05:22 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
At least my prayers appeal to a worthy mediation and hence a superiority for those soldiers...So go to communist China, and stop coming here where prayer is humbly credited

Thank you for a very good laugh.

199 posted on 05/15/2003 4:17:41 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Jorge
Are you denying that the generosity and benevolence of the United States which is unequaled in the history of the world, has ever helped people around the world?

I believe it has helped dictators buy weapons. We have spent hundreds of billions on aid programs and we still have famine in the places we spent the money. If we really cared about the starving people, we would fix the problem rather than simply throwing money at it and hoping it goes away.

200 posted on 05/15/2003 4:30:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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