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France stance on Iraq hardens
BBC News ^ | February 14, 2003 | BBC News

Posted on 02/14/2003 12:12:37 PM PST by MadIvan


De Villepin believes inspections should be continued

European nations who oppose a rush to military action against Iraq have responded confidently to a report by United Nations weapons inspectors to the Security Council.

In a speech which drew a rare show of applause from many in the chamber, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said that inspections were making progress and should be given more time to succeed.

Considering that the audience consisted of representatives of some of the foulest dictatorships on the face of the earth, that is hardly a ringing endorsement - Ivan

The option of inspections had not been taken to its conclusion, he said, adding that force could only be used as a last resort.

Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov also called for more time for inspections, saying that substantial progress had been made and this could not be discounted.

Mr Ivanov was also applauded, prompting council chairman Joschka Fischer to call the chamber to order.

Not in a timely fashion, one presumes - Ivan

The United Kingdom and Spain, who have backed United States calls for military action in the event of Iraqi non-compliance, said the threat of force was still necessary.

UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the UN had to keep its nerve and ensure that Iraq fully complied with its obligations.

Spanish Foreign Minister Ana Palacio made the point that the inspectors had not said Baghdad was co-operating fully and unconditionally.

The ministers' speeches followed reports by chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix and International Atomic Energy Authority chairman Mohammed ElBaradei.

Both reports mentioned developments which the inspectors say could indicate a more co-operative approach by Iraq.

Alternative to war

The BBC's John Sopel in Paris says Mr de Villepin was emboldened by the reports, and gave a carefully crafted speech designed to answer his critics head on.

"France believes ... the option of inspections has not been taken to the end," he said, "...and the use of force would be so fraught with risk that it could only be envisioned as a last resort."

"There is an alternative to war, disarming Iraq through inspections," he added.

This shows a fundamental and willful ignorance on the part of France - Iraq is already supposed to be disarmed. The inspectors are just supposed to verify this. Any breach in this, is an indication that Iraq has broken the terms by which the Gulf War was ended - Ivan

Mr de Villepin also described France as "an old country" from a continent which had known "wars, occupation and barbarity".

"It has never ceased to stand upright in the face of history and before mankind," he said. "It wishes resolutely to act with all the members of the international community."

The snickering about France "standing upright in the face of history" is still continuing, I take it. After all, they're playing the role of Saddam's favourite goat right now, all tarted up in garters - Ivan

His remarks were intended as a response to United States Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who described France and Germany as "the old Europe".

'Sufficient majority'

Earlier on Friday, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder repeated his opposition to military action.

Mr Schroeder said the foreign ministers of France, Russia and Germany would present a common position after the reports were made.

Speaking after a meeting with Swedish Prime Minister Goeran Persson, he said he hoped there would be a "sufficient majority" in support of the view.

The comments came as Austria, a neutral country which broadly supports the French and German position, withdrew permission for US troops and equipment to transit across its territory.

Austrian Defence Minister Herbert Scheibner said the ban would remain in force unless there is a second Security Council resolution on Iraq.

It means that US troops based in Germany will have to be taken to Italy for transfer to the Gulf region.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; blix; bush; chirac; france; germany; iraq; saddam; schroeder; uk; un; us
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Sod the bloody Austrians, Germans and French. Let us smash Saddam Hussein, open the torture chambers and weapons labs to the light of day and make these opponents look undeniably stupid and shameful.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/14/2003 12:12:38 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Blue Scourge; PhiKapMom; carl in alaska; Cautor; GOP_Lady; prairiebreeze; veronica; SunnyUsa; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 02/14/2003 12:12:54 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
The US Congress would probably pass a declaration of war against France in a minute...
3 posted on 02/14/2003 12:14:55 PM PST by ken5050
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To: MadIvan
They also attacked Powell directly.

How to Finesse France, Germany --

Agree to send in a CORPS (V Corps = 2 divisions) of Inspectors, but UNDER U.S. Leadership or "co" leadership.)
4 posted on 02/14/2003 12:18:02 PM PST by xzins (.Babylon - You've been weighed in the balance and been found wanting.)
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To: ken5050
I am so sick of the French dictating to US..

Screw'em!!!!!!

5 posted on 02/14/2003 12:18:19 PM PST by Dog
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To: MadIvan
The old world can take their view and stuff it!
6 posted on 02/14/2003 12:21:38 PM PST by OldFriend (Pray)
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To: MadIvan
Thank G-d for the UK. I've read some about Churchill and we hearing they statement that we're hearing from France. Churchill, Blair and Bush have guts and conviction.
7 posted on 02/14/2003 12:22:10 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and pray for the French....)
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To: xzins
I suggest we boycott anything French or German. Their economies are weak anyway. Squeeze hard and watch them gasp for air.

They want to act like they do, they should understand there is a price to be paid, and that price is that we won't have anything to do with them, much to their impoverishment.

Regards, Ivan

8 posted on 02/14/2003 12:22:44 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: OldFriend
I think the French and the rest of them should be 'inspected' to find out what the foot-dragging agenda is REALLY all about.
9 posted on 02/14/2003 12:22:53 PM PST by Lee Heggy ("A Frenchman's home is where another man's wife is." M. Twain)
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To: MadIvan
Just in case you are having difficulty finding French companies to boycott, just remember that NISSAN is now French owned and controlled, specifically by RENAULT. This company is real big on "diversity" and multiculturalism.
10 posted on 02/14/2003 12:22:58 PM PST by rimmont
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To: MadIvan
Funny, but isn't there a French carrier in the Eastern Med right now ?? I could see that one getting sunk if they don't move it out of the way soon.
11 posted on 02/14/2003 12:23:23 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: MadIvan
The only time France "hardens" is when they see a sheep in heat.
12 posted on 02/14/2003 12:23:49 PM PST by Sloth (I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!)
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To: ken5050
The US Congress would probably pass a declaration of war against France in a minute...Which is longer than it would take to overrun them. But what then? You would have to do some "nation-building" and unlike the Iraqis, the French are incapable of work, being only good for striking and smoking in open cafes. We'd be there for decades. Likewise the Germans. I could run over Belgium in my SUV. Austria hasn't produced anything of value since Mozart. No thanks!

Did someone say cheese eating surrender monkeys?

13 posted on 02/14/2003 12:24:26 PM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: MadIvan
The French are sinking along with the US Dems.
14 posted on 02/14/2003 12:24:33 PM PST by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always Flexable)
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To: rimmont
Oh yes, and to boycott the Belgians - do not drink any of these beers:

Alexander Keith's
AstikA
Bass
Beck's
Belle-Vue
Bergenbier
Best Ice
Boddingtons
Bohemia
Bozicno
Borsodi Sör
Cafri
Cass
Chernigivski Pivo
Diebels Alt
Dimix
Dommelsch
Dos Equis
GB
Haake-Beck
Hertog Jan
Hoegaarden
Hougaerdse Das
Hopfen König
Jingling
Julius
Jupiler
Kamenitza
Klinskoye
Kokanee
Labatt Blue
Labatt Blue Light
Labatt Canadian Lager
Labatt (family)
Labatt Ice
La Bécasse
Leffe
Niksico Pivo
Nik Gold
OB Lager
Oranjeboom
Ozujsko Pivo
Piedboeuf
Rolling Rock
Safir
Sol
Staropramen
Stella Artois
St. Pauli Girl
Sibirskaya Korona
Taller Pils
Tecate
Tennent's
Tolstiak
Tomislav pivo
Vieux Temps
Wadworth 6X
Yali

All are produced by Interbrew, Belgium's largest brewer and one of its largest companies.

Regards, Ivan

15 posted on 02/14/2003 12:24:42 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: ken5050
So the French dispatched their famous DeGaul aircraft carrier to the eastern mediterannean because:

1. as target for US planes.

2. to rescue Sadam Hussain

3. to scare away fish with the noise of their cranky washing machines (as if the french have a use for these....?)

4. they can't see where they are going because of frosted up windows...(thinking they were on a day trip to Calais)

5. to see how far they can go before the prop drops off

6. They can launch planes but not receive them because the flight deck is too short (need to be near land)

7. all of the above

16 posted on 02/14/2003 12:24:54 PM PST by spokeshave
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To: MadIvan
"There is an alternative to war, disarming Iraq through inspections,"

That's most childish and irresponsible thing I've ever heard.

17 posted on 02/14/2003 12:26:25 PM PST by oyez (Is this a great country...........Or what?)
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To: MadIvan
Not Bass!
18 posted on 02/14/2003 12:26:26 PM PST by eyespysomething (Ignorance is Blix!!)
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To: MadIvan
"There is an alternative to war, disarming Iraq through inspections,"

That's most childish and irresponsible thing I've ever heard.

19 posted on 02/14/2003 12:26:26 PM PST by oyez (Is this a great country...........Or what?)
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To: rimmont
Nissan is ALSO being boycotted by the NAALCP for having ads that insult African Americans.
20 posted on 02/14/2003 12:26:42 PM PST by alrea
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