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To: discostu
Do you understand the different types of radiation that came harm a person? They are not all the same. No defense is perfect against them all, but sealing a room will eliminate the entry of some particles to varying degrees. Amount and accumulation of exposure makes a huge difference in how much someone is affected, same for ingestion, inhalation, and skin exposure. Sure someone may get a degree of exposure when leaving, but it will most likely be far less than if they didn't seal. Do you understand why many foods that are in sealed packages can be safely eaten after radiation exposure if the packages are simply rinsed off?

The same goes for many types of chemical agents. They disperse and degrade over time, exposed to sunlight, etc. Many sink to the lowest level. So sheltering in place can definitely be effective in many situations. Why do you think the concept was developed in the first place, in dealing with petrochemical plant accidents? Why develop it if it doesn't work?

Reread what I wrote, I specifically stated that shelter in place may not be needed in a bio attack. Then again, even for some bio scenario's it might be effective.

Read that link I noted in post #93 before you sound even more ignorant.
105 posted on 02/13/2003 8:03:37 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Do you understand that ALL radiation is excited particles traveling at high rates of speed and that the way you block it is with thick dense items with lots of molecules to block them and that plastic is neither thick nor dense? Any radiation that can make it to the plastic WILL make it through. Now the good news is that being in doors will provide with with damn good protection against radiation (better the thicker your walls are and the denser the material), so it's not much of a danger to the safe room to start with. YES! Thank you so much for posting that rediculous giberish. How in blazes do you rinse the radiation (or harmful chemicals or biological agents) from the food without being exposed to it? The answer is you don't, not unless you've got a decon suit handy. And the only type of food sealing device that stands a chance against radiation is the tin can, glass is OK but a distant 2nd, plastic is worthless.

The chemical agents only disperse and degrade if there's WEATHER to disperse them. Wind, water, some don't like the sun but that's a small list. Either way you have NONE of the things that disperse them IN your home while you're locked up in your safe room. Again, think dust. It gets in your house and doesn't go away until you get rid of it. And what happens to your sinuses when you dust? They get all clogged up. Why? Because cleaning dust RAISES dust, gets it back in the air where you inhale it. Same thing will happen with chemicals. If you seal up the lowest area then where will the chemicals settle to? The NEXT lowest area, like the door that's your way out.

I did read that you said the shelter wouldn't be needed for bio, and I SPECIFICALLY took issue with it. Biological agents aren't much bigger than chemical and will get EVERYWHERE chemical agents get and require the same level of precaution. Just look at what the people that work with those things wear, looks about the same as what people that cleanup hazardous chemicals wear, gee wonder why that is.

All the proof you need that this "protection plan" is FOOLISH and CANNOT POSSIBLY work is all around. We deal with similar things EVERY SINGLE DAY in American society, and none of the professions that deal with these thing use such scant protection. That's all you need to know. This "protection" quite simply will not work and is a complete waste of effort.

I read your link. I commented on the link. The original author is mostly right. Deal.
108 posted on 02/13/2003 8:16:34 PM PST by discostu (This tag intentionally left blank)
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