CANADIAN court agrees that BIBLE is HATE LITERATURE

CWNews.com ^ | 2-11-2003 | staff

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In a ruling given virtually no media coverage, the Court of Queen's Bench in Saskatchewan, ruled that a man who placed references to Bible verses on homosexuality into a newspaper ad was guilty of inciting hatred. The December 11, 2002 decision was in response to an appeal of a 2001 Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission (HRC) ruling which ordered both the Saskatoon StarPhoenix newspaper and Hugh Owens of Regina to pay CAN$1,500 to three homosexual activists for publishing an ad in the Saskatoon newspaper quoting Bible verses regarding homosexuality.

The purpose of the ad was to indicate that the Bible says no to homosexual behavior. The advertisement displayed references to four Bible passages: Romans 1, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, on the left side. An equal sign (=) was situated in the middle, with a symbol on the right side. The symbol was comprised of two males holding hands with the universal symbol of a red circle with a diagonal bar superimposed over top.

Justice J. Barclay rejected the appeal ruling: "In my view, the Board was correct in concluding that the advertisement can objectively be seen as exposing homosexuals to hatred or ridicule. When the use of the circle and slash is combined with the passages of the Bible, it exposes homosexuals to detestation, vilification and disgrace. In other words, the Biblical passage which suggests that if a man lies with a man they must be put to death exposes homosexuals to hatred."

Janet Epp Buckingham, Legal Counsel for the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, told LifeSite: "The ruling that a verse from the Bible can be considered to expose homosexuals to hatred shows the danger for Scripture if Bill C-250 passes." Bill C-250, proposed by homosexual activist MP Svend Robinson, would see "sexual orientation" added to hate crime law as a prohibited ground of discrimination.

[Archimedes2000]

I hate to say it, but you're wrong. Look up Ernst Zundel, Doug Collins, Paul Fromme, and a few other cases whose names escape me. (Scott ?, a printer from Toronto?)

There is no possible way Canada respects freedom of thought and speech in the same way that America does. The Doug Collins case is particularly odious, where the adjudicator for the alleged "Human Rights" tribunal claimed that "the Truth is no defense" and that "hurt feelings are the issue".

Canada is becoming a repugnant nation of penis envy and hatred.

[Thorondir]

Let's see, the person you are addressing cuts and pastes a quote that accuses me of being a defender of alternative lifestyles, a blatant lie, but you can't see where I may have interpreted that he agreed with the charge?

Man. I looked for it but couldn't find it. Perhaps the moderator nixed that post.

None so blind as they who will not see.

Aw, come on, Mr. Gonzalez. Don't be that way. It's not necessary or good. I don't think the guy is your enemy and neither am I.

[Luis Gonzalez]

You missed the sixth post on this thread?

[Luis Gonzalez]

AND Post #72?

I didn't miss your entrance, nor your jab at me.

[Thorondir]

Oh, Luis! For crying out loud, my man.

[Luis Gonzalez]

What?

Some guy I never heard of throws out an unprovoked insult designed to get me on the thread, another one calls him prophet because I responded, you throw in your little piece about vulgarity.

Did I miss anything?

[Thorondir]

Well, sir, the man only noted that you showed up as predicted, even though you may have been pinged here, but he did not, at that time, accuse you of being a gay defender as you claim.

The post you refer me to does not support your contention.

[Thorondir]

My man, I made no jab at you. If you somehow think one of my posts is unkind or impolite, then feel free to ask the moderator to delete it.

[Thorondir]

Some guy I never heard of throws out an unprovoked insult designed to get me on the thread, another one calls him prophet because I responded, you throw in your little piece about vulgarity.

Did I miss anything?

Yeah, the infamous ping post was a bit insulting if untrue. But can you see that your namecalling, insults, profanity and accusations might offend the people you level them at, especially when they have done nothing to justify such abuse?

Do you think all these people come to the FR just to pick on you?

[Luis Gonzalez]

It is admirable to take FR posters on with crude profanity and threats from the safety of a far off keyboard?

Whatever.

87 posted on 02/13/2003 2:22 PM EST by Thorondir

This is posted as a response to Post #35, that post was directed at me.

Exactly who were you talking about here?

[Luis Gonzalez]

The people whom I offend, such as yourself on our last few encounters, do things like the Kid did here, much like yourself in our last few encounters.

If you think that I am at all concerned about the sensitivities of people on this forum who make the conscientious choice to initiate a debate with me my being either insulting, or abusive, you are wrong.

I don't care what you think of me if that is your choice of dialogue, and I'll do my best to make sure that you don't ever bother posting to me again.

Why shouldn't I do just that?

On the other hand, if you decide to keep the dialogue civil, I'll do the same.

[Thorondir]

Well, sir, I WAS talking about you when I admonished him not to admire keyboard threats and profanity. But I cannot show your posts that he was referring to, because so many of them are removed by the moderators.

But this person gives reference to what I was talking about. His post was not removed, so I refer this part of it to you. It is not meant as a jab, sir, just a call to civility. I know how difficult it is to keep from being drawn into this sort of thing.

Luis Gonzalez Part 1:
Luis: Sorry kid,...I'll bitch-slap you into nothingness.
Luis: ...like your a$$hole buddy Todd...

And then Luis Gonzalez Part 2:
Luis: ...I am a Christian, and I find it offensive.

[Thorondir]

I'll do my best to make sure that you don't ever bother posting to me again.

How could you do that?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"...especially when they have done nothing to justify such abuse?"

I can link to our last two encounters, I'll link to the first communication between the two of us. On both threads, your first post to me were insulting, and confrontational.

Need the links one more time?

Want to take one more look to see if I posted anything to you before you started with the personal attacks on me?

Then you spend the rest of the thread claiming injury, because my response to your insult was too insulting.

[Thorondir]

I am not claiming injury, sir. You have been quite civil and honorable with me on this thread, which I do appreciate. You don't really want to dredge up a bunch of old junk from previous threads do you? We were talking about this thread here.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Cute post.

"Well, sir, I WAS talking about you when I admonished him not to admire keyboard threats and profanity. But I cannot show your posts that he was referring to, because so many of them are removed by the moderators."

This is a normal tactic of yours, but you're just not all that good at it.

None of the pulled posts on this thread are mine. If you look down the responses, you will eventually find one or more posted in response to the pulled post. Look who the post is addressed to. That way you can tell whose post was removed. I responded to insulting posts, if you look at the post, you can link beck to the post I was responding to, then read my response in context...which is why you never provide links.

Sorry to ruin your theory.

Having said that, I don't give a rat's ass what you have to say about my response. Is not for you to decide how I should respond to personal attacks, and if you don't like my response, don't engage in leveling personal attacks at me.

It's very simple.

"I am a Christian, and I find it offensive."

Yes I did, I found the ad absolutely offensive, and I am a Christian, and what of it?

I guess you believe that in order for an individual to be a Christian, one has to endure boorish behavior from the hoi polloi, you are wrong.

But then again, you being wrong is the rule rather than the exception each and every time we run across one another.

[Luis Gonzalez]

It's worked quite well over the years.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Did I miss the post where you were lecturing him on the evils of intentionally initiating flame wars?

Or do you just take issue with MY posts?

It seems to be the latter.

[Thorondir]

Criminy, man. Well, at least you haven't sunk down low enough to scream that my sweet old mother is a whore, at least not on this thread, at least not yet. But do you ever wonder why so many people seem to grow angry with you? Do you think it might have something to do with your threatening to bitch slap [them] into nothingness and call them a$$holes? I'm not telling you not to do it. I'm just wondering if you ever think there might be several causes.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Well, at least you haven't sunk down low enough to scream that my sweet old mother is a whore, at least not on this thread, at least not yet."

Not only do you not have a notion of what the truth is, I NEVER called your mother a whore, and you will not provide a link to the post where I did that, because you can't, but you are one dishonest dude. You apologized to me for continuously attacking me with racial slurs, I guess that's next, since your word ain't word the paper you flush down the toilet.

David...you see? A hypocrite, that's all he is.

BTW...I mentioned that I had heard that your mother worked at the border, you were the one that told us what she did there.