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To: Snowyman
I hate to say it, but you're wrong. Look up Ernst Zundel, Doug Collins, Paul Fromme, and a few other cases whose names escape me. (Scott ?, a printer from Toronto?)

There is no possible way Canada respects freedom of thought and speech in the same way that America does. The Doug Collins case is particularly odious, where the adjudicator for the alleged "Human Rights" tribunal claimed that "the Truth is no defense" and that "hurt feelings are the issue".

Canada is becoming a repugnant nation of penis envy and hatred.
201 posted on 02/13/2003 9:04:07 PM PST by Archimedes2000
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To: Archimedes2000; Snowyman
There is no possible way Canada respects freedom of thought and speech in the same way that America does. The Doug Collins case is particularly odious, where the adjudicator for the alleged "Human Rights" tribunal claimed that "the Truth is no defense" and that "hurt feelings are the issue".

What's particularly sad and crazy, Archimedes2000, is that so many Canadians actually defend the taking away of their own freedoms. Americans are a different breed.

224 posted on 02/14/2003 5:06:54 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Archimedes2000
I hate to say it

No you don't . I've never insulted your country and you even manage to bring in penis envy , of all things and that in it's self is an indication more of your problem than any in my country.

The whole basis of yours and others argument is that the First Amendment protects your free speech. My point to you and others is that like Canada's right to Free Speech , your First Amendment is not absolute.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/410/410lect08.htm

the First Amendment is about protecting the public good rather than individual freedom. Freedom of speech in America has NEVER been absolute. Ever since The Alien and Sedition Act of 1798, there have been a number of laws restricting scandalous, malicious, inflammatory or false utterances, particularly any attempting to defame or bring down the government, or help its enemies.

The following areas have NEVER been protected by the Constitution. There are NO barriers to government interference or regulation. The ONLY constraints on government are that officials must be engaged in a legitimate purpose (doing their duty) , the law to be enforced must not be too broad or vague , the law must be content neutral , not intervene before the fact unless extraordinary circumstances exist , and not have a "chilling effect" (which makes people fearful of engaging in legitimate activities). (obscenity , libel, fighting words , nudity). There are in-between categories between free speech and unprotected speech. Generally, governments have a free hand in how they want to go about regulating these areas.( hate speech, internet defamation , commercial speech ).

Take the time to read the link. Zundel has been arrested in Tennessee on INS charges and is being deported to Germany , where they do have extremely harsh hate laws. This court decision is about the intent of the ad purchaser, nothing more and., as I said in an earlier post, test your freedom. Print an identical ad in a local paper and see what happens.

241 posted on 02/14/2003 11:16:10 AM PST by Snowyman
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