So You Think You Are a Darwinian?

Royal Institute of Philosophy ^ | 1994 | D. C. Stove

[js1138]

This is the second time you have posted this, but you fail to explain your point. The most prolific ID poster on FR has stated hundreds of times that evolution is improbable to the point of being impossible. Numerous people have tried to explain the the calculated probabilities are bogus, because we don't know enough to calculate them. He has also stated numerous times that nothing complex can arise through the process of random change and selection.

If you have an actual contribution to make then make it.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

This is the second time you have posted this, but you fail to explain your point.

Don't you understand english?

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

The most prolific ID poster on FR has stated hundreds of times that evolution is improbable to the point of being impossible. Numerous people have tried to explain the the calculated probabilities are bogus, because we don't know enough to calculate them. He has also stated numerous times that nothing complex can arise through the process of random change and selection.

What do I care? This thread isn't about him/her.

[js1138]

I understand when correctly formed English sentences are irrelevant to the ongoing discussion. The thing under discussion is the claim made by ID that evolution is impossible due to its extreme improbability. The assertion under discussion is that the probabilities have been incorrectly calculated.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

The thing under discussion is the claim made by ID that evolution is impossible due to its extreme improbability

Try reading the thread article to figure out what this thread is about.

[js1138]

Oh, you mean the stupid article at the head. Sorry.

[MEGoody]

"Darwinists" will be persuaded by facts, evidence, theories which fit the known data, and reasoned arguments.

Perhaps, as long as it supports their preconceived notions.

[MEGoody]

"Darwin's racist claim"

As I recall, there is a theory put forth in "The Descent of Man" about differences in evolutionary level for the various races of man.

[MEGoody]

"The program I described in the article designed a useful electronic circuit that has never appeared on earth before."

Ah, a program - thus, there was a programmer. :)

[Lurking Libertarian]

In todays's context, as the article stated, Darwinism means a belief than man descended from animals without divine intervention, and that is believed by most educated people.

I would re-phrase it "descended from animals through natural biological processes." The existence vel non of divine intervention is something science does not speak to, either to affirm or deny. I personally believe that humanity was created by God using natural forces, which He created knowing them to be sufficient to achieve His purposes.

[Ichneumon]

Perhaps, as long as it supports their preconceived notions.

The fact that your ad hominem is unaccompanied by any support is duly noted.

[and the horse you rode in on]

I would re-phrase it "descended from animals through natural biological processes."

I agree. It is when supernatural intervention is invoked to cause some action that could not occur naturally that science is left behind, and superstition, OK theology, reigns supreme.

[PatrickHenry]

As I recall, there is a theory put forth in "The Descent of Man" about differences in evolutionary level for the various races of man.

No, Darwin concluded that all races were the same species.

[ALS]

The fact that evolution isn't a fact is a no brainer.
I'm sure there's some atheists in your mix, but does that mean I must adhere to their pseudo-religious beliefs as well?

I think not.

[CyberCowboy777]

scientific method n. The principles and empirical processes of discovery and demonstration considered characteristic of or necessary for scientific investigation, generally involving the observation of phenomena, the formulation of a hypothesis concerning the phenomena, experimentation to demonstrate the truth or falseness of the hypothesis, and a conclusion that validates or modifies the hypothesis.


Now show me where Darwin or any evolutionist has complete the method to prove evolution? I have yet to read of the observation of one species changing into another. What conclusion that validates has the world missed?

[CyberCowboy777]

But of course -- people do tend to like things that reinforce their prejudices.

Kettle, Meet Pot. Pot, Meet Kettle

[Ichneumon]

"But of course -- people do tend to like things that reinforce their prejudices."

Kettle, Meet Pot. Pot, Meet Kettle

You are welcome to try to document where you think I have demonstrated such behavior, if you think you can. Or perhaps you should retract it.

[CyberCowboy777]

You do not like things that reinforce your prejudices? lol

Do you then ignore anything that might lend credence to your views or do you read it and then curse?

Maybe you should re-read you original statement? I find it hard to believe you do not like things that reinforce your prejudices.

You tried to be cute or damning towards another poster but instead only incriminated yourself along with all mankind! (except the self loathing perhaps?)

[CyberCowboy777]

You are so quick to try and remove the speck from some other's eye that in the process you only further lodge the plank in you own eye.

Neither side of this argument has presented in-refutable facts that prove beyond a doubt that one position is absolutely correct.

Neither has completed the scientific method, so both are theories at test.

And no matter the camp you inhabit I will wager you enjoy things that reinforce your prejudices.

[balrog666]

You are so quick to try and remove the speck from some other's eye that in the process you only further lodge the plank in you own eye.

Well, gee, ditto. How constructive.

Neither side of this argument has presented in-refutable facts that prove beyond a doubt that one position is absolutely correct.

One side has presented facts aplenty, one side hasn't. Neither will ever prove anything.

Neither has completed the scientific method, so both are theories at test.

Non sequitur - the scientific method reaches no "completion".

And no matter the camp you inhabit I will wager you enjoy things that reinforce your prejudices.

Don't we all.