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The choice for Iraq's rag-tag army: be killed by the US or by Saddam
guardian ^ | 2/8/03

Posted on 02/07/2003 5:01:47 PM PST by knak

For Private Abass Shomail the war in Iraq ended before it had even begun. Two days ago Abass slipped away from his sentry post and started running in darkness across the muddy frontline. He stumbled past the newly dug trenches designed to protect Iraq's conscript army from American bombardment.

He kept going. Eventually he found himself in a rolling landscape of green hills and pine trees, the Kurdish self-rule enclave in the north of Iraq. Abass was the first deserter from the Iraqi military to cross into Kurdistan for several months. Yesterday, in an interview with the Guardian, he gave a unique insight into the condition of the Iraqi army on the eve of an imminent and massive US attack.

Though defectors are a notoriously unreliable source of intelligence, the fact that he had crossed the border into Kurdish-held territory only days earlier, together with his lowly rank and the lack of any apparent incentives to embellish his story, all point to the credibility of his account.

Morale was very low, he said, both among his fellow conscripts and among civilians. "We want America to attack because of the bad situation in our country. But we don't want America to launch air strikes against Iraqi soldiers because we are forced to shoot and defend. We are also victims in this situation."

Abass was yesterday in custody in Chamchamal, a small Kurdish smuggling town overlooked by low green hills and Iraqi army posts. From the edge of town, the silhouettes of Iraqi soldiers could be seen peering out from their bunkers across the fields.

The Kurdish fighters or pershmerga ("those who do not fear death") who took Abbas into custody interrogated him for a day to establish he was not a spy. Yesterday he was still wearing his olive Iraqi army overcoat and woolly balaclava. His new home was a small heated room with a TV set tuned to the Arabic station al-Jazeera.

Conditions back in the Iraqi trenches were not so good, he said. "We have two blankets for every soldier, but they are very thin and don't keep us warm. The officers beat us. And the food is disgusting. I'm only paid 50 dinars [about £3] a month."

What would have happened if he had been caught trying to run away? "I would have been executed."

As the US military puts the finishing touches to its invasion plan, it is clear that Saddam Hussein's recruits and volunteers face bleak choices in the coming weeks. If they remain in their positions they run the risk of being pulverised by American missiles. But if they try to surrender they risk being shot.

At the moment it is hard to know which is the greater danger. "There are two groups in the Iraqi army," Abbas said.

"One is made up of soldiers like me. The other is the Republican Guard. The special guard will support and defend Saddam. The ordinary soldiers and many of the commanders will surrender."

But for the moment Iraq's military commanders are making frantic preparations for a battle whose outcome nobody seems to doubt. Earlier this week, troops manoeuvred four enormous Russian-made Katyusha rocket launchers into position behind the frontline at Chamchamal.

Some 1,500 Iraqi reinforcements have just arrived. Dozens of tanks have been concealed in trenches, Abbas confirmed, as well as anti-aircraft batteries.

"The Katyusha rocket launchers are not there for aesthetic reasons," the town's Kurdish head of security, Adel Muhammad, joked. "But we have our undercover agents. They tell us that when America attacks the Iraqi soldiers will surrender."

Officials from the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party that controls the valleys and mountains around the town of Sulaymaniyah, say they are not expecting a pre-emptive Iraqi offensive in the north, given the huge US invasion force assembling in Kuwait.

But President Saddam's record against the Kurds is brutal. Nothing can be ruled out. And the disconcerting possibility remains that, hidden among the ordnance may be artillery shells fitted with chemical weapons.

Every day hundreds of Kurds cross an Iraqi checkpoint to the oil-rich government-controlled town of Kirkuk, a 30-minute drive away. They bring Kent cigarettes smuggled in from Turkey. They return with plastic containers full of paraffin.

"We have to bribe the Iraqi guards $2 each time we cross," Hersh Abdul Karim, an 18-year-old smuggler, said.

The soldiers Abbas left behind, meanwhile, sit in their hilltop bunkers, pondering an unenviable fate. "We are all very tired," Abbas said. "I haven't heard of Tony Blair. But if George Bush wants to give us freedom then we will welcome it."


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To: DeuceTraveler; All
any idea how many Republican Guard?
21 posted on 02/07/2003 6:50:02 PM PST by RobFromGa (Space Is The Final Frontier.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
The regulars surely are plotting the deaths of their SS commanders as we type...btw, where did the 'all your base are belong to us' come from?? I've seen it around a long time but can't remember the origin...bad jap film?
22 posted on 02/07/2003 6:58:13 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: ApesForEvolution
No friend, as it was explained to me it was some video game that had a poor translation.

"They set us up the bomb"

23 posted on 02/07/2003 7:01:42 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (I)
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To: knak
I had a good friend bivouaced inside Iraq for a total of six months - prior to (yep - prior to), during, and after Desert Storm.

Our B52 bombing raids pulverized and demoralized the Iraqi lines so bad that when they began surrendering (by the thousands) their hands were shaking so bad that even for a couple of days after surrender, they couldn't hold a cup of water.

Trust me, the remaining Iraqis recall this vividly - and want to surrender in the worst way imaginable.

This will be a tough call, and it all depends on whether or not the Iraqis even hint at using chems on us.

If not, then we may just hit 800 strategic targets and take out the majority of their comm. Once that is done, that will be a major signal to "RUN!!" for those among the Iraqi ranks wanting to live.

They will surrender by the TENS OF THOUSANDs (if given the chance).

The Iraqi officers are beating the enlisted troops - the surest sign mutiny is but a breath away.

24 posted on 02/07/2003 7:03:18 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: fourdeuce82d
There isn't a tank in that country that has moved without our knowledge...
25 posted on 02/07/2003 7:04:05 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: RobFromGa
I've heard as few as 50K and as many as 180K....I'll look up some defence pubs.
26 posted on 02/07/2003 7:07:16 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: He Rides A White Horse
LOL! Thanks...
27 posted on 02/07/2003 7:08:01 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: knak
The special guard will support and defend Saddam. The ordinary soldiers and many of the commanders will surrender."

Desert Storm, second verse, much like the first. However, I suspect that many will surrender as soon as the bombs start falling instead of waiting for weeks in the trenches.

Hint to the ordinary soldiers: stay as far away from the tanks, artillery, rocket launchers, and anti-aircraft as possible and keep your head low and you will be warm and fed in a U.S. POW camp within days.

28 posted on 02/07/2003 7:41:19 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: knak
This is a brave man, as are all Iraqis who are trying to get the word out -- in the face of Saddam's torture and death -- that they WANT us to attack. Bravo -- with providence, we'll free you soon.
29 posted on 02/07/2003 7:59:01 PM PST by ellery
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To: Happy2BMe
Once that is done, that will be a major signal to "RUN!!" for those among the Iraqi ranks wanting to live.

They will surrender by the TENS OF THOUSANDs (if given the chance).

There will also be a major signal to "HIDE" from the DNC for those among the Socialist-Democrat Party who have openly opposed the Liberation of Iraq.

They will lose in the next election in 2004 by the HUNDREDS.

30 posted on 02/07/2003 8:20:02 PM PST by RobFromGa (Space Is The Final Frontier.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
That would be "all your base are belong to us"

I prefer "All your asses are belong to us!" Prepare to kiss yours, the Republican Guards, and Saddam's...............GOODBYE!!!!

31 posted on 02/07/2003 8:33:22 PM PST by dirtbiker
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To: knak
Posted a macho bit earlier- "We-all's gonna blow the cr@p out'a all them-there Iraqians..."

Snooping around here and there, I came across stories about Iraquis surrendering...and kissing the boots of our troops.

Saw some video where some marine was trying to lift the guy up, telling him he didn't have to do that to surrender.

I wonder which has stuck in the minds of the Iraqi grunt troops more- the idea that we'll kill them, or that their "enemy" will treat them better than their own chain of command?

I'm all for pounding the ever-loving $hite out of the Republican Guard, the Mokhabarat, etc.- hope we keep in mind that a lot of the guys in uniform are, in effect, human shields for SH.

I dunno...post in hairy chested, tough guy anger...reconsider at leisure.

32 posted on 02/07/2003 8:33:35 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: RobFromGa
"They will lose in the next election in 2004 by the HUNDREDS."

They will lose in the next election in 2004 by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!

33 posted on 02/07/2003 8:38:46 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: dirtbiker
There you go. I'm putting on my war paint tonight. I've had it up to HERE.
34 posted on 02/07/2003 8:42:15 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: fourdeuce82d
I have some small amount of sympathy for the luckless Iraqi grunts who face our awesome forces but not much. I just ask myself "Well, who the hell's country is it anyway?" When Saddam was on a roll into Kuwait his grunts were clambering over one another to get at the Kuwaiti goods and poontang first. How they laughed and danced! The only thing they don't like about their current situation is not that Saddam is a monster, but that their rations are bad and they're fixin' to get their asses handed to them. If Saddam was still rollin' an' controllin' they'd be swaggerin' aroung like big mac daddies. Seriously, if these guys weren't scum they'd have toppled Saddam and instituted a decent system in their country long ago. But no Arab country has a decent system, you say? That's because they all suck.
35 posted on 02/07/2003 8:46:54 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: fourdeuce82d
If they want out of Sodom's little hell hole, they'll put in a bullet in the commander's cranium and make it easy on themselves. There will little time to screw around. Other nations have risen up to their tyrants. You either kill your own tyrant, die trying to kill your own tyrant, die at the hands of a tyrant having done nothing but pi** him off or get killed because because you did nothing. This is why we despise tyrants and will take out any and every that rises in America. They are of the anti-Christ the way they treat mankind for their pleasures.
36 posted on 02/07/2003 8:47:54 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: fourdeuce82d
"I wonder which has stuck in the minds of the Iraqi grunt troops more- the idea that we'll kill them, or that their "enemy" will treat them better than their own chain of command?"

The latter - by more times than you can comprehend.

37 posted on 02/07/2003 8:48:28 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: rogue yam
Yup, what you said. I would like to add your post into mine for the historical record...lol!
38 posted on 02/07/2003 8:49:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: rogue yam
"When Saddam was on a roll into Kuwait his grunts were clambering over one another to get at the Kuwaiti goods and poontang first."

But On The "Roll" Out Of Kuwait . .

As for his army, visions of "The Highway To Hell" are dancing in their heads.

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"After A Jihad Encounter With The Infidels"
One of Saddam's Elite "Kuwaiti Scavenging" Guards

Another Victory For Saddam

Another Victory For Saddam

Baghdad - Next Right

Highway to Hell was when the Iraqi soldiers started to flee and were driving anything they could to get away. It was very brutal: over 1,000 Iraqi soldiers were killed on a two mile stretch of a highway.

39 posted on 02/07/2003 8:51:55 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: Happy2BMe

"We flew over the Highway to Hell on the way out and from the air it was really spectacular," Olson says. "It's amazing to see the destruction that can be caused in such a short period of time."

After setting the oil wells on fire, the Iraqi soldiers fled Kuwait by the fastest means possible, the main highway back to Iraq. These soldiers took with them the goods they had looted from both private homes and businesses (appliances, TVs, VCR's, gold, cars anything of value). Their convoy was intercepted and the results of the firefight is shown above. Afterwards while checking for wounded, our soldiers found that every vehicle was packed with stolen goods from Kuwait.


40 posted on 02/07/2003 8:53:38 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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