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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1cheeseeating; 2surrendermonkeys; bashing; blair; bush; cheeseandwhine; cheeseeating; france; french; froginablender; frogs; iraq; isurrender; saddam; surrendermonkeys; uk; us
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To: Jorge
And I am of French descent on my father's side, and so have a French last name. (Jenerette)

I must admit, my great-great-great grandmother on my father's side was a quarter French. It's the one chink in my otherwise WASP armor. Fortunately for me, I get rid of a little bit each morning. Especially after a couple cups of coffee.

If only she'd have been native American, I could be living on one of the Casino reservations will the other "Indians".

201 posted on 02/08/2003 8:04:30 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT (From the Land of Liberalty)
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To: dfwgator
WOW!!!! I can remember laughing hysterically at that cartoon in college!!!! I believe it was in National Lampoon! Where did you find it?!
202 posted on 02/08/2003 8:10:30 AM PST by CaptRon
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To: MadIvan
Breaking News: Euro Disney holds its nightly fireworks display. The First Battalion of the French Army surrenders.
203 posted on 02/08/2003 8:11:42 AM PST by Fair Paul
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To: humblegunner
Fighting a War without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.

LOL! Genuinely funny. Your own?

Don't forget the frogs do have the dreaded "force du frappe" in reserve. Which, for some reason, makes me think of a squid squirting vichysoise at its enemies.

204 posted on 02/08/2003 8:28:27 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: MissAmericanPie
"All the French have left to them is the lame attempt to wrap their cowardess and moral depravity in the robe of elitism and 'enlightenment'."

Missy, I think you've encapsuled the French legacy to a tee.

It could be the legacy of America's Democrats as well...

205 posted on 02/08/2003 8:32:55 AM PST by F16Fighter (The Republic is already at war -- WITH THE COUNTERFEIT-AMERICAN DEMOCRATS)
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To: Kevin Curry
Your own?

Alas, no.. a quote from an email, but just so darned apt!

206 posted on 02/08/2003 9:00:34 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: MadIvan
***Bump*** for one of my all-time fav FR threads!

Thanks Ivan...
207 posted on 02/08/2003 9:46:02 AM PST by CaptSkip
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To: CaptSkip
My pleasure. While the behaviour of the French is extremely irritating, at least it is highlighting, again, what the British and Americans have in common.

Regards, Ivan

208 posted on 02/08/2003 9:50:50 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: dfwgator
"Don't worry. The French will be there when they need us."

Thank you for the "quote of the day". ;-D

209 posted on 02/08/2003 9:58:44 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia (May God bless President Bush and our troops)
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To: CaptRon
WOW!!!! I can remember laughing hysterically at that cartoon in college!!!! I believe it was in National Lampoon! Where did you find it?!

Google Images, typed "Frog Legs" and there it was.

210 posted on 02/08/2003 4:27:13 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: humblegunner
Congratulations! You just made Fox News Sunday. Tony Snow just now used your Accordian line!
211 posted on 02/09/2003 8:59:46 AM PST by Redcloak (Jøìn thë Çøålìtìon tø Prëvënt the Åbûsë of Ûnnëçëssårìlÿ Lëngthÿ, Vërbøsë ånd Nønsënsìçål Tåg Lìnës)
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To: MadIvan
My father was a US Army Private during WW II in Europe and had nothing but good things to say about the British Army bravery, intiative and diligence during the war.

We returned to Normandy 52 years later before he died and met several British veterans of the invasion. I told them that we would be proud to fight alongside their troops, anytime, anywhere.

212 posted on 02/09/2003 6:03:28 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: eshu
That gives me a great idea.

Lets invade France and take their attractive women. The ugly ones that need shaving we can use to pull carts.
213 posted on 02/09/2003 6:34:43 PM PST by finnman69 (!)
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To: humblegunner
Fighting a War without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.

Hilarious! I'm on the floor!

214 posted on 02/09/2003 6:39:37 PM PST by Phaedrus
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To: Phaedrus
Hilarious! I'm on the floor!

Apparently, some concern has arisen regarding my use of that line..
mash here for the thread.

I still love that line!!!

215 posted on 02/09/2003 6:47:48 PM PST by humblegunner (Don't like America? Delta is ready when you are. (Tix Prepaid, contact me.)
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To: stlrocket
I don't care how Bardot aged. She is a lovely human being inside and out.
216 posted on 02/09/2003 6:53:59 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: MadIvan
Did I hear it correctly that France has $60B contracts over Iraqi oil? And their support of inspectors has nothing to do with oil?

The rest can be said with one word ....

Agincourt.
218 posted on 02/09/2003 11:16:30 PM PST by Joe_October (I think we should start calling ourselves American Americans.)
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To: MadIvan
France sucks
219 posted on 02/09/2003 11:19:13 PM PST by timestax
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To: FourPeas
ROFL!!!
220 posted on 02/09/2003 11:19:32 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam ( Bush is thinking about it ) and then what about Germany and France?)
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