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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1cheeseeating; 2surrendermonkeys; bashing; blair; bush; cheeseandwhine; cheeseeating; france; french; froginablender; frogs; iraq; isurrender; saddam; surrendermonkeys; uk; us
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
Oh my god that is so good.... I shrieked.
181 posted on 02/07/2003 8:22:45 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: humblegunner
Fighting a War without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.

Thank you for that....the best laugh I have had ALL week!!

182 posted on 02/07/2003 8:24:33 PM PST by USMC_tangocharlie (si vis pacem, parabellum)
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To: humblegunner; Admin Moderator
"Fighting a War without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion."

Bwah ha hahahahahahah

Admin Moderator: We need a spurgle alert on post number three...

Jack Daniels Plays hell with my keyboard!!!!!

183 posted on 02/07/2003 8:28:18 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old world word meaning surrender)
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To: thoughtomator
She's got German features.

Of course. Her grandmêre was a "collaborateuse".

184 posted on 02/07/2003 8:31:43 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . that's what they had the bedsheets out for . . .)
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To: MadIvan
The following is from a column posted earlier in the week:

The French and the Germans have not shown any gratitude for America's part in rebuilding those countries. They have depicted President Bush as a sneering, out-of-control two-gun cowboy.

But they will suffer a penalty. There is already an epidemic of French jokes flooding the Internet.

One of them says we really need the French to show the Iraqi troops how to surrender.

Another asks why are there so many tree-lined streets and leafy lanes in France? The answer: Germans like to march in the shade.

Why don't they have fireworks at Euro Disney? Because every time they shoot them off, the French try to surrender.

Germany said it will not go to war against Iraq, but it will be all right to jackboot into the Czech Republic. (Just kidding.)

* * *

In Washington, Teddy Kennedy hiccuped and had no comment, except to say that Saddam Hussein was a great guy.

185 posted on 02/07/2003 8:31:55 PM PST by Temple Owl
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To: eshu
Well - As long as we are going here - than we might as well take a look at one of the most famous French Women - Bridget Bardot!

Unfortunately, some people age better than others!


186 posted on 02/07/2003 8:32:29 PM PST by stlrocket
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To: eshu
Didn't she become a Brit? (They allow her to keep some of her earnings...)
187 posted on 02/07/2003 8:36:00 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: MadIvan
My dad hated 'em in WWII (those of them they could find). One of them shot his best buddy in the knee in Southern France. He's still got the bullet in him at this late date (dad and mom have been trying to persuade him to get a knee replacement, so far to no avail.)

He got mad at Jean Crapaud all over again when De Gaulle banned the export of French wines to the U.S. back in the sixties in some fit of Gallic pique or other.

Dad got hold of a large photo of ol' Charles and had a dart board custom-made. Hung it in the living room and after he and his friends had hoisted a few they would perforate the old guy. They stuck it so full of holes that we eventually had to throw it away, but it sure was fun while it lasted.


188 posted on 02/07/2003 8:38:06 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time! (those frogs, not you Ivan . . . :-D ))
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To: Happygal

189 posted on 02/07/2003 9:20:27 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Plus de fromage, s'il vous plait...)
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To: MadIvan
First Baghdad, then Paris.
Big Food wants the Truffle Fields siezed by spring. They need cheap truffles as a precursor to perigeaux sauce.
190 posted on 02/07/2003 9:21:12 PM PST by and the horse you rode in on
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To: MadIvan
All the French have left to them is the lame attempt to wrap their cowardess and moral depravity in the robe of elitism and "enlightenment". Leave them to their illusions of grandure, they count for less than nothing in the scheme of things.
191 posted on 02/07/2003 9:25:51 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Oui, l'officier, les réfugiés sont en mon sous-sol, je vous montrera
la manière
192 posted on 02/07/2003 9:34:35 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
LMAO
193 posted on 02/08/2003 12:18:04 AM PST by packrat35 (Reality is for people who can't face science fiction)
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To: cerberus
Why were the French women so happy when the Americans and British liberated them in WWII?

Because they finally got to meet REAL MEN who didn't call them "Fraulein".
194 posted on 02/08/2003 12:50:40 AM PST by abishai (Why do we drive on parkways and park in driveways?)
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To: and the horse you rode in on
As I posted on another thread:

There once was a man called Chirac
Who stabbed his old friends in the back
He behaved like a jerk
Because the Viagra didn't work
And now all he can please is Iraq.

Oh and a little haiku:

Frogs and Krauts dither
Muslims sneak into Paris
Ciao Eiffel Tower

Regards, Ivan

195 posted on 02/08/2003 1:24:29 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: humblegunner
Fighting a War without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.

Spit coffee all over my screen with that one! 8^)

196 posted on 02/08/2003 6:49:05 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT (From the Land of Liberalty)
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To: HennepinPrisoner
The beaujolais is nice. Other than that I can't think of anything worth invading for.
197 posted on 02/08/2003 6:56:32 AM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: MadIvan
Riddle me this.....Saddam, in a desparate attempt to win over American support..declares war on France.....US public opinion is divided on who to root for...
198 posted on 02/08/2003 7:49:05 AM PST by ken5050
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To: nutmeg
Thanks for pinging me to this thread; hysterically funny comments and jokes! If the French are still "unmoved" by our mocking and ridicule, we must mock them more and ridicule them harder... and then send copies of this thread to their embassy! I'll be able to hear their whining as I drive past their embassy during my daily commute.
199 posted on 02/08/2003 7:50:29 AM PST by tgslTakoma
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To: ApesForEvolution
When America is in the hands of our own cheese eating surrender monkey frog girls, the RAT communists, I have disdain at home as well. But, today, the unscrupulous devotees that run the land of froggy frunks have my particularly sharpest disdain - down with the communist pig gerdung and frunky frogs. Traitors and no friends of America - the America that comes running to bail out the losers of the world that were once 'friends' of freedom. Screw the UN, screw the EuroIslamotrash and SCREW THE FROGS and their gerdung compatriots.

Very well stated! Ditto!

200 posted on 02/08/2003 8:03:04 AM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
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