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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1cheeseeating; 2surrendermonkeys; bashing; blair; bush; cheeseandwhine; cheeseeating; france; french; froginablender; frogs; iraq; isurrender; saddam; surrendermonkeys; uk; us
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To: eshu
OOOH - LA -LA
121 posted on 02/07/2003 4:37:48 PM PST by SteamShovel
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To: veronica
Please - This is my original copyrighted work. It appeared at http://www.flashbunny.org/content/frenchmagazine.html but this other site has apparently decided to present it as their own. Please do not post the stolen version!
122 posted on 02/07/2003 4:38:12 PM PST by flashbunny
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To: Bon mots
Please - This is my original copyrighted work. It appeared at http://www.flashbunny.org/content/frenchmagazine.html but this other site has apparently decided to present it as their own. Please do not post the stolen version!
123 posted on 02/07/2003 4:38:25 PM PST by flashbunny
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To: stlrocket
This is yet another piece of work I did and strangecosmos.com felt they should have credit for. Please do not link to my stolen work! Original is at http://www.flashbunny.org/content/frenchclock.html
124 posted on 02/07/2003 4:42:53 PM PST by flashbunny
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To: Right Wing Professor
>> they surrendered too soon.

ROFL
125 posted on 02/07/2003 4:46:20 PM PST by The Raven (Liberalism: The dream world called denial)
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To: MadIvan
“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

HARHARHARHARHAR! "This" comment from the nation of "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" that has been throwing one ineffective temper-tantrum after another ever since the days of Charles de Gaulle??

126 posted on 02/07/2003 4:46:33 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: dogbyte12
Why in the hell do they get a seat on the security council anyways?

For their indomitable resistance to Nazi aggression in World War II.

127 posted on 02/07/2003 4:49:43 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: The Raven
"They don't like the U.S. because we showed up too late in WWII".....
LMAO!!!!
The French hate us because we decided to show up AFTER they sided with the Nazis! Oopsie!!

Back about 15 years ago, a couple of French girls who were travelling around the U.S. stayed with my mother for a few days. They were two of the nicest, politest, most demure and undemanding people I have ever met. We should be careful not to assume that a people monothically recapitulates its political elite...remember, Bill Clinton was our president for 8 (interminable) years.

128 posted on 02/07/2003 4:50:53 PM PST by Renfield
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
rotflmao. This is the funniest thread of the day. My kids are looking at me in strange way because the can't figure why I am laughing so hysterically.
129 posted on 02/07/2003 4:52:29 PM PST by appeal2
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To: LO_IQ
The Axis of Weasels = L'axe des weasels
130 posted on 02/07/2003 4:53:26 PM PST by Between the Lines
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To: dogbyte12
Why in the hell do they get a seat on the security council anyways?

And, under what conditions can they lose it? Isn't being irrelevant a good enough reason?

131 posted on 02/07/2003 4:54:08 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: MadIvan
literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

What's their problem? Don't they have weasels?

132 posted on 02/07/2003 4:55:19 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: jackbill
I love frog legs but am certainly no frog.
I heard it was due to the fact that they don't actually sit on a toilet seat. Instead they stand on it and squat thus assuming a frog-like position.
I guess we would need to ask the frogs to know for sure but I expect they would lie over such a sensitive issue.
134 posted on 02/07/2003 4:56:04 PM PST by nomorecameljocks
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To: merak
It isn't the snails, it's the garlic butter.

But I agree with you.
135 posted on 02/07/2003 4:56:55 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Renfield
>> They were two of the nicest, politest, most demure and undemanding people

How old were they? They morph at age 25 or so.
136 posted on 02/07/2003 5:00:00 PM PST by The Raven (Liberalism: The dream world called denial)
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To: MadIvan
Once again, I simply cannot take a country that has yet to master the dark mysteries of personal hygiene serious on any matter of importance.

Well, except perhaps on perhaps the choice of soap.

137 posted on 02/07/2003 5:02:33 PM PST by Caipirabob ([Formerly: Yakboy] Democrat.. Socialist..Commie..Traitor...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: The Raven
I've heard the whine about showing up too late to WWII.

A Frenchy I met while travelling in Spain explained it to me this way when I asked him why they hated the British. He said: Look at an Anglo map. You will see the "English Channel". It is not English, it's just a channel. It is simply called "the Channel".
138 posted on 02/07/2003 5:08:02 PM PST by Guillermo (Sic 'Em)
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To: Paul Atreides
When a Frenchman eats escargot, is it cannibalism?

Wow. Serious snarf there. You owe me a keyboard.
139 posted on 02/07/2003 5:09:22 PM PST by BJClinton (©¿©)
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To: MadIvan
Thanks for the explanation! How gross! LOL!!!!
140 posted on 02/07/2003 5:17:37 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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