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N.C. Congressman Says Internment of Japanese-Americans During World War II Was Appropriate
AP ^ | 2/5/03 | The Associated Press

Posted on 02/05/2003 4:16:00 PM PST by Jean S

HIGH POINT, N.C. (AP) - A congressman who heads a homeland security subcommittee said on a radio call-in program that he agreed with the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

A fellow congressman who was interned as a child criticized Coble for his comment on Wednesday, as did advocacy groups.

Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., made the remark Tuesday on WKZL-FM when a caller suggested Arabs in the United States should be confined.

Coble, chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security, said that he didn't agree with the caller but did agree with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who established the internment camps.

"We were at war. They (Japanese-Americans) were an endangered species," Coble said. "For many of these Japanese-Americans, it wasn't safe for them to be on the street."

Like most Arab-Americans today, Coble said, most Japanese-Americans during World War II were not America's enemies.

Still, Coble said, Roosevelt had to consider the nation's security.

"Some probably were intent on doing harm to us," he said, "just as some of these Arab-Americans are probably intent on doing harm to us."

U.S. Rep. Mike Honda, D-Calif., a Japanese-American who spent his early childhood with his family in an internment camp during World War II, said he spoke with Coble on Wednesday to learn more about his views.

"I'm disappointed that he really doesn't understand the impact of what he said," Honda said. "With his leadership position in Congress, that kind of lack of understanding can lead people down the wrong path."

The Japanese American Citizens League called Coble on Wednesday and asked him to issue an apology, while the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee demanded that Coble explain his remarks.

It is "a sad day in our country's tradition when an elected official ... openly agrees with an unconstitutional and racist policy long believed to be one of the darkest moments of America's history," the group said in a statement.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: homelandsecurity; howardcoble; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; unhelpful
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To: aristeides
Forcibly moving and detaining an American Citizen without SPECIFIC evidence against that person is ALWAYS a mistake.

Even J. Edgar Hoover (hardly a simpering bleeding-heart human rights activist) was opposed to the mass internments.

You're correct; there were Japanese sympathizers and agents among Japanese-Americans, which is now unfortunately covered up by a massive spin machine literally asserting "All Japanese-Americans were loyal."

There's also been a campaign to turn the internment camps into "concentration camps" (If you were Japanese and lived outside of California, Oregon, and Washington, nothing happened to you. You could leave one of the camps at ANY time if you joined the military, went to college, or found a job outside of the west coast.)

Still doesn't make the internments any less illegal and wrong.
21 posted on 02/05/2003 4:43:56 PM PST by John H K
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To: aristeides
Tough measures for hard times. I doubt it would've been too much fun NOT to have been removed and quarantined considering how WestCoasters were feeling at that time.

And i think the US locked up a fair amount of Italians and Germans, particularly on the East Coast.
22 posted on 02/05/2003 4:44:15 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: goodnesswins
Actually, the interned and relocated Japanese did receive compensation for their property from the federal government in the late 40's.
23 posted on 02/05/2003 4:45:02 PM PST by aristeides
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To: pabianice
Yeah, here we go again.

Islamism is the invocation and/or actualization of jihad to impose sharia, or Islamic law, on the infidel - or ALL non-Muslims - by force.

All American Muslims should renounce Islamism. If they don't, I believe an argument can be made for the idea that they are traitors to this country, and should be locked up.

24 posted on 02/05/2003 4:46:30 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Howlin
Works for me...

MKM

25 posted on 02/05/2003 4:46:42 PM PST by mykdsmom
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To: JeanS
"It is a sad day in our country's tradition when an elected official ....openly agree's with an unconstitutional and racist policy long to be one of the darkest moments of America's history, the group said in a statement"


I have to disagree with this group. Japanese held in camps during World War II was bad but given the time in history of this country, the president did what he thought was right for the security and safety of American citizens. It was bad but it was not one of America's darkest moments....September 11, 2001, December 7, 1941 are dark moments for this country. I don't know how the Japanese held in these camps were treated but I do know how American prisoners held by Japan was a dark moment in the history of Japan!
26 posted on 02/05/2003 4:47:23 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: John H K
There was no way to make individual decisions when the basis of the action could not be revealed (decryption of Japanese cyphers.) The Constitution is not a suicide pact. The relocated persons were treated reasonably humanely.

Nor were the relocations illegal. The Supreme Court said the relocations were legal. That decision has not been overruled. And we are now in a better position to understand FDR's policy -- and the Supreme Court's reasoning -- than people in recent decades were before 9/11.
27 posted on 02/05/2003 4:48:48 PM PST by aristeides
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To: JeanS
Ping
28 posted on 02/05/2003 4:49:00 PM PST by Dubya
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
The Americans captured at Bataan were starved and allowed to die without medical attention. WW2 was a very nasty situation if you happened to live in that era. By the way we had to fight Hitler and Japan at the same time and we almost lost the war.
At least we won and that is what counts. Otherwise we would not know America as we know it today.
29 posted on 02/05/2003 4:49:32 PM PST by southland
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To: meia
Yes...you are correct....as I pushed the post button I thought about the Japanese (and Germans) who went and fought, also.
30 posted on 02/05/2003 4:52:42 PM PST by goodnesswins (Thank the Military for your freedom and security....and thank a Rich person for jobs.)
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To: aristeides
Actually, German and Italian aliens whose disloyalty was known (from sources that could be revealed) were interned in 1942, just as Japanese aliens of whom the same was true were as well.

While it's true that people of German and Italian descent (mostly aliens) were interned for being disloyal during WWII, the same is not true for ethnic Japanese. They vast majority were interned for being Japanese. This would account for the fact that, while over 100,000 Japanese were interned, only 10,900 Germans and 3,200 Italians were held.

31 posted on 02/05/2003 4:54:28 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: aristeides
Yes, that's true. Friends of my family(Germans) who were local businessmen and wealthy, were taken in for questioning, probably due to their incredible success.

The house I live in is rumoured to be haunted by a man who
came from Germany after the first world war, and soon became very rich due to his industry and intelligence.

He was arrested after the start of WW2 and they tried to force him to sign a "confession."

Eventually they let him go, but shut off his town water, and electricity and refused to allow him oil deliveries.

By the end of the war, the town was out of oil, and could not produce enough electricity to pump the water. He sold them water from his well, enough to supply the whole town. He converted oil burners to alcohol, and sold alcohol made from his farm and orchard to supply them. He even generated electricity for those who could pay.

Should his descendents be compensated for his incarceration?

Hell no, he already got paid.


32 posted on 02/05/2003 4:54:29 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Yes, he does haunt the place, but we all get along just fine.)
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To: JeanS
Its always a bad move to talk to an anonymous radio caller with an agenda - you almost always wind up looking bad.

Besides, much as I hate to point it out, most security risks involve this group:

FBI agents arrest pair on espionage charges
Woman with Aryan ties accused of trying to pass defense secrets

Bill Morlin
Staff writer

A former Washington Army National Guard officer and his ex-wife were arrested Tuesday on espionage charges involving an alleged attempt to pass secrets to an attorney for well-known racists.

Rafael Davila, 51, and Deborah Davila-Cummings, 46, were simultaneously arrested by FBI agents at separate locations in Washington and Oregon.

Davila-Cummings is accused of attempting to pass top-secret U.S. documents. A federal source said the intended recipient was attorney Kirk Lyons of North Carolina. He is named in the indictment, but not charged.

The charges were filed in U.S. District Court in Spokane.

The indictment alleges that sometime in August 1999, Davila-Cummings attempted to deliver "national defense documents."

Her former husband is accused of "unauthorized retention" of national security documents that she's accused of attempting to deliver.

The nature of the documents isn't detailed in the indictment.

Davila-Cummings has visited the former Aryan Nations compound in North Idaho and has ties to certain Aryan Nations members, according to a federal source familiar with the case.

Davila was arrested at his parents' home in Ontario, Ore, authorities said. His former wife, a special education teacher for the Pasco School District, was arrested at her home in College Place, Wash.

They both face up to life in prison if convicted of the charges.

Both are named in separate counts of "unlawful retention of documents relating to the national defense of the United States."

Only Devila-Cummings is named in a third count of attempting to deliver documents relating to the national defense.

She is accused in a fourth count of making a false statement to the FBI.

On April 20, 2000, the indictment alleges, she made a "false, fraudulent and fictitious material statement" when interviewed by FBI agents.

She said "she did not recognize Kirk Lyons' name and was certain she never met Kirk Lyons, when in truth and fact she knew her statement and representation was false," the indictment says.

Her father, Earl Cummings, of Spokane, said he learned of his daughter's arrest when she called him from jail on Tuesday.

"I have no idea what they're talking about," the 80-year-old Cummings said.

Asked if his daughter had ties to the Aryan Nations or its members, Cummings responded, "None whatsoever."

He said his daughter and her former husband were divorced "some time ago," and he couldn't provide further details about the former husband's background.

Another source said Davilia served in Vietnam, then became a military intelligence officer for the Washington Army National Guard.

The couple has lived in Western Washington and Alaska, other sources said.

They were ordered held without bond after an initial appearance Tuesday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Cynthia Imbrogno.

She scheduled detention hearings for Thursday.

"This case involves the sale of `top secret' and `secret' documents involved with the defense of the United States," Assistant U.S. Attorney Earl Hicks said in court on Tuesday.

Outside of court, he declined to comment. Hicks said a statement would be released today by U.S. Department of Justice officials in Washington, D.C.

Jim McDevitt, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Washington, also wouldn't discuss details of the case.

"These espionage case are very, very important," McDevitt said. "These allegations are very, very serious."

Lyons couldn't be reached for comment in North Carolina Tuesday.

He was married at the former Aryan Nations compound to a woman whose family was close to Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler.

Lyons has called himself an "active sympathizer" with his clients, who have included former Texas Ku Klux Klan leader Louis Beam and James Wickstrom, head of the Posse Comitatus.

More recently, Lyons has been associated with the Council of Conservative Citizens.

• Bill Morlin can be reached at (509) 459-5444 or by e-mail at billm@spokesman.com. Spokane News.

33 posted on 02/05/2003 4:56:51 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: drlevy88
Xenophobia almost entirely. Orientals look funny, talk funny, scare people. We didn't do it to Germans because they were much more "like us."

Ethnic Germans also formed a large portion of America.

Note that the government, during WWI, kept a close eye on areas that were majority German -- even the Paltinate Germans, who were in Pennsylvania since the late 1700's. Further, during WWII, the same thing occured to a lesser extent.

I try not to make the mistake of judging the actions of the U.S. government in 1941 by what is known today.
34 posted on 02/05/2003 4:56:58 PM PST by Lee_Atwater
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To: JeanS
"For many of these Japanese-Americans, it wasn't safe for them to be on the street."

Stupid "reason" to intern innocent American citizens and steal their property.

USDoD/AFIS - The "Go for Broke" Regiment Lives Duty, Honor, Country
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They were cold, wet, weary and battle-scarred. Yet that didn't stop the men with names like Hayashi, Inouye, Kobashigawa, Okutsu, Sakato and Kuwayama from answering the call Oct. 27, 1944, to rescue a battalion surrounded by German forces.

For the next three days, their unit, the all-Japanese-American 442nd Regimental Combat Team, would fight in dense woods, heavy fog and freezing temperatures near Bruyeres, France, and prove their motto "Go for Broke!" wasn't mere words. "Go for Broke" is Hawaiian slang for "shoot the works."

The Germans cut off the Texas National Guard 1st Battalion, 141st Infantry Regiment in the Vosges Mountains on Oct. 24. The 442nd was ordered in after the enemy had repelled repeated rescue tries by the 141st's other two battalions.

Nearly half the men in the Japanese American unit would be dead or wounded three days later with the "Lost Battalion" still isolated.

"Then, something happened in the 442nd," according to historians at the Army Center for Military History in Washington. "By ones and twos, almost spontaneously and without orders, the men got to their feet and, with a kind of universal anger, moved toward the enemy position. Bitter hand-to-hand combat ensued as the Americans fought from one fortified position to the next. Finally, the enemy broke in disorder."

"The Lost Battalion" rescue is recorded in U.S. military annals as one of the great ground battles of World War II. The regiment relieved the 211 besieged Texans on Oct. 30, and had gone for broke to do it: It suffered more than 800 combat casualties.

Thankful members of the 141st gave their rescuers a plaque that read, "With deep sincerity and utmost appreciation for the gallant fight to effect our rescue after we'd been isolated for seven days."

The "Lost Battalion" is just one entry -- a defining one, to be sure, but only one -- in the regiment's catalog of valor during World War II. For its size and time in combat, less than two years, the 442nd is the most decorated unit in U.S. military history.
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35 posted on 02/05/2003 4:59:14 PM PST by k2blader
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To: JeanS
Congressman Coble was dead wrong in his comments about the jailing of Japanese-Americans (about half of them, or 110,000) by Executive Order of President Roosevelt, at the outset of WW II. Even the courts have recognized that this was constitutionally wrong.

The lead case was Korematsu v. US, 1944, approving the jailings for racial identity only, no charges, no trials. A minority of 3 Justices said this "goes beyond the outer limits" of the power of a Commander-in-Chief, and into "the ugly abyss of racism." Fred Korematsu himself went back to court 45 years later, and had his conviction thrown out as violating the Constitution.

One of my eight books was on those internments, Manzanar, and I practice in the Supreme Court. I condemn in advance ANYONE who attempts to defend this excreable decision of the US Supreme Court.

Congressman Billybob

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36 posted on 02/05/2003 4:59:16 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: socal_parrot
I was making the distinction the bureaucracy made at the time between internment and relocation. It made a big difference: the internment camps were much stricter; people had the choice of resettling outside the West Coast instead of going to relocation camps; it was possible to get leave to depart from the relocation camps.

The Japanese whose disloyalty was known were interned. The others on the West Coast were relocated, either to the relocation camps or to places of their own choosing away from the West Coast.

37 posted on 02/05/2003 5:00:51 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Congressman Billybob
Agreed. Thank you.
38 posted on 02/05/2003 5:02:39 PM PST by k2blader
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To: Congressman Billybob
I condemn in advance ANYONE who attempts to defend this excreable decision of the US Supreme Court.

You're condemning me, then.

Have you, by any chance, read Lowman's book MAGIC? If you have not, may I suggest you do so before opining on this subject. Before judging what the government did, you really should know why it did it.

39 posted on 02/05/2003 5:02:48 PM PST by aristeides
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To: drlevy88
I can easily demonstrate the ignorance of Rep. Coble's thinking. Despite the orders of West Coast Commander, General deWitt, the Commander on Hawaii NEVER interred all of the Japanese-Americans in the islands. 90% of the carpenters he needed to rebuilt the military facilities were Nissei. The General on Hawaii offered reason after reason why he could not intern them (mostly lack of transport to the Mainland)

At the end of the war, those on Hawaii were still free. NONE of those interned on the Mainland was ever convicted of any crime of espionage or sabotage. On the other hand, a few German-Americans and Italian-Americans (who were not interred) were so convicted.

Even on Hawaii, where the animus against "Japanese" was obviously the strongest, none of the backlash that Rep. Coble talks about, occurred. He is wrong, wrong, WRONG.

Congressman Billybob

40 posted on 02/05/2003 5:05:42 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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