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World Court: U.S. Must Stay 3 Executions
Associated Press (via Yahoo) ^ | 2/5/2003 | TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 02/05/2003 11:13:39 AM PST by jjm2111

The United States must temporarily stay the executions of three Mexican citizens on death rows in Texas and Oklahoma, the World Court ruled Wednesday.

The ruling — which the court cannot enforce and the United States could ignore — said the delay was needed while the court investigated whether the men and 48 other Mexicans on death row in the United States were given their right to legal help from the Mexican government.

The 15-judge World Court, officially called the International Court of Justice, is the United Nation's body for resolving disputes between nations.

The United States has disregarded rulings in the past.

Reading Wednesday's unanimous decision, Presiding Judge Gilbert Guillaume said the court supported Mexico's argument that executing the men would cause "irreparable" damage to their rights if the court later finds in Mexico's favor.

"The United States shall take all measures necessary to ensure that (the men) are not executed pending final judgment in these proceedings," he said.

After Mexico filed the suit last month, the United States said a ruling in Mexico's favor would be an unwarranted intrusion on the U.S. criminal justice system and would infringe on U.S. sovereignty.

The U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands, Clifford Sobel, said the U.S. Justice Department (news - web sites) was "studying the decision" and would comment on it as soon as possible.

"It's important to note that this is not a ruling on the merits of the case," he said Wednesday, adding that it would be "premature" to say whether the United States would abide by the decision.

If the United States does not, the World Court could complain to the U.N. Security Council, which could impose sanctions, court spokeswoman Laurence Blairon said.

Elihu Lauterpacht, a lawyer for the United States, has labeled the Mexican case a publicity stunt, and said that staying executions in state prisons might be unenforceable for the U.S. federal government.

Mexico's ambassador to the Netherlands, Santiago Onate, called the decision "a confirmation of international law."

The men affected by the ruling are Cesar Fierro and Roberto Ramos, in prison in Texas, and Osvaldo Torres Aguilera, in prison in Oklahoma. All men had exhausted their U.S. appeals and their execution dates were to be scheduled.

Mexico had asked the court to stay the execution of all 51 Mexicans on death row, but the court concerned itself only with the three most urgent cases.

Other Mexicans on death row are imprisoned in California, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Nevada, Ohio and Oregon.

The court has yet to set a date to hear oral arguments in the case and consider whether the prisoners' rights were indeed violated under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Rights.

The decision followed a high-profile World Court ruling that the United States had violated international law by not informing a German citizen of his right to consular assistance in 1999.

Walter LaGrand was executed in Arizona despite the U.N. court's order to postpone his punishment until it had heard Germany's case. He had been convicted along with his brother Karl LaGrand for murdering a bank manager during a 1982 robbery.

In 1999, the court criticized the U.S. government, saying it had an obligation to enforce the ruling. In Wednesday's decision, the court ordered the United States to "inform the court of all measures taken in implementation of this order."

The death penalty has long been a source of tension between the United States and countries that oppose capital punishment. Mexico's case is the third the United States has faced in five years.

At least 97 foreigners currently await execution in the United States, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. Since 1976, at least 15 have been executed; three were freed after appeals or retrials and eight had their death sentences overturned on appeal, according to Amnesty International.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: barf; deathpenalty; un; worldcourt
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To: jjm2111
If the United States does not, the World Court could complain to the U.N. Security Council, which could impose sanctions,

Sanctions? Bring 'em on.
Who do you think sanctions would hurt more? The USA or the countries that would uphold the sanctions.

21 posted on 02/05/2003 1:09:21 PM PST by Just another Joe
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To: Just another Joe
I must hang out with the wrong people. Not one person that I talk to on a regular basis thinks that the UN or the World Court is relevant in any way. The Governor of Texas couldn't do anything even if he wanted to because of the way Texas law is structured. I'm sick of this stuff. Maybe we should revisit the Fortress America strategy.
22 posted on 02/05/2003 1:21:55 PM PST by Movemout
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To: Movemout
Not one person that I talk to on a regular basis thinks that the UN or the World Court is relevant in any way.

That's because they're NOT. Get the US OUT OF the UN.


23 posted on 02/05/2003 1:26:33 PM PST by Just another Joe
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To: Jim Noble
"The ruling — which the court cannot enforce and the United States could ignore — said the delay was needed while the court investigated whether the men and 48 other Mexicans on death row in the United States were given their right to legal help from the Mexican government.

Gee, the"World Court" could complain to the UN Security Council which might send the UN Army after us to enforce their decision.

Ooooooops!!! WE ARE THE U N ARMY!!!!

Sorry fellows. Perhaps you can get Kofi Kup Anan to send soldiers from Ghana or Senegal or wherever the hell he is from!

24 posted on 02/05/2003 1:34:05 PM PST by albee
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To: jjm2111
The justice department can ignore this ruling. Every state can ignore the ruling. However, President Bush needs to tell el Presidente Fox to shove it and we will immediately guard our borders against Mexicans. No more illegal immigrants !
25 posted on 02/05/2003 1:37:06 PM PST by ex-Texan
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To: jjm2111
If I were the President I would tell the World Court exactly where they could shove it.

Protocol prevents the President from telling any foreign body anything in those terms. There are, however, diplomatic ways to convey the same message.

What is interesting to me, is that neither the Court, nor the complaining Government, even bothered to sue the real parties in interest, Texas and Oklahoma. I suspect that is in part an admission that they really do not have jurisdiction in such a matter.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

26 posted on 02/05/2003 1:42:38 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
That was a stupid way for a lawyer to put it. I was too focused on the idea of the President telling the Court and Mexico "where to shove it." Of course, the Complainant would decide whom it should sue. The Court, then, should have dismissed the case, for failure to state a cause of action against the named Defendant.
27 posted on 02/05/2003 1:51:59 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Jim Noble
A,We rest our case" BUMP!!!!!
28 posted on 02/05/2003 2:09:41 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (truth is the life blood of productive discourse)
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To: jjm2111
Yep! no official death penality in good old Mexico - they just take 'em out in a field and blow 'em away! saves time and money and no trial to boot!
29 posted on 02/05/2003 2:28:11 PM PST by Cabbages and Kings
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To: taxed2death
That 5 BILLION that my idiot president is stealing from myself and my fellow tax payers will wind up directly is some damn tin pot dictators pocket.

No kidding. When will they ever learn? I pay so much in taxes it's crazy and to see so much of it pissed away.

30 posted on 02/05/2003 2:43:28 PM PST by jjm2111
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To: Just another Joe
The USA has absolute veto power on the security council. The security council couldn't do anything to us. Additionally, we pay about 40% of the cost of operating the UN. All we would have to do is stop sending them checks.
31 posted on 02/05/2003 2:44:50 PM PST by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
World Court...is that a shopping mall someplace?
32 posted on 02/05/2003 2:46:59 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: the_doc
No, I heard Republicans were supposed to be for smaller government. My mistake, I believed GWB when he actually said he's a conservative.

Never again.
33 posted on 02/05/2003 3:04:46 PM PST by taxed2death
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To: jjm2111

"...nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority." - Strobe Talbott Deputy Secretary of State, 1994-2001

34 posted on 02/05/2003 4:51:28 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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