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2 Ground Zero design teams picked
MSNBC ^ | 02/04/2003 | Jan Herman

Posted on 02/04/2003 12:17:04 PM PST by montag813

2 Ground Zero design teams picked

Choices narrowed to Studio Daniel Libeskind and THINK

By Jan Herman
MSNBC

NEW YORK, Feb. 4 — As competing factions jockeyed to decide a Ground Zero template for the future, officials Tuesday narrowed their choice of urban-design proposals to two — one by Studio Daniel Libeskind and one by the THINK team. Libeskin’s design proposes a 1,776-foot tower and would make visible “the great slurry walls” that descend into the bedrock foundations of Ground Zero. THINK envisions a tower even higher, a lattice-work scaffolding that would soar 2,100 feet. Both towers would be the world’s tallest structure.

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 911; buildings; design; skyscraper; terror; wtc
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Comment #41 Removed by Moderator

To: montag813

42 posted on 02/04/2003 12:44:04 PM PST by steve-b
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To: unix
>>I still like this beast...<<

Holy Frijoles!!! FrankenBuilding!!

Looks kinda Teutonic to me -- if you were to read what Hitler was planing to build in London, and in the US if his reach could get that far, they were like this -- massive utlititarian structures demonstrating function over form.

I agree with a lot of posters on this thread -- they both stink to high heaven! And what in the world was ANY non-US firm doing even in the process????
43 posted on 02/04/2003 12:46:13 PM PST by freedumb2003 (God bless and keep the astonauts' families - the astronauts are already with Him.)
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To: seamole
How about a single tower shaped like the arm holding Liberty's torch,
With tinted glass to reflect the appropriate tones?

God bless us with His liberty, the true light of the world.

Michelangelo's arm of Adam stretched out to the Creator? Want a view from a building shaped like a hand? That would be cool.

44 posted on 02/04/2003 12:48:16 PM PST by Carry_Okie (With friends like these, who needs friends?)
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To: montag813
"Both towers would be the world’s tallest structure"

Too bad. A Tower of Babel type monstrosity is most inappropriate.

A memorial park would be a better choice and a lot cheaper.
45 posted on 02/04/2003 12:49:22 PM PST by ZULU
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To: seamole
It's actually owned publicly, by the State of New York.

Really? I thought that a corporation owned it - that same corporation who was trying to get the insurance companies to recognize the attack as two separate incidents as opposed to one. Wild... thanks for the info.
46 posted on 02/04/2003 12:57:45 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: MadelineZapeezda

Berlin's Jewish Museum

I don't like this one of his either.

47 posted on 02/04/2003 12:58:18 PM PST by lizma
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To: montag813
HERE IS WHAT lIEBSKIND'S BUILDINGS REALLY LOOK LIKE! All those arbitrary angles and weird slashings are quite ugly in reality. They all look like wrecked shattered fragments. Not the most appropriate metaphor after the horrible destruction of the WTC.










http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary011703.asp

I hope I’m remembering this right, but in I think Evelyn Waugh’s novel Helena there is a scene where the Emperor Constantine summons a team of architects and sculptors to build him a triumphal arch, just like the triumphal arch the Romans built at the peak of their artistic powers two and three centuries before. He wants elaborate carvings, elegant draperies, realistic renditions of his conquering soldiers and conquered enemies.

The architects and sculptors are indignant. They tell him that no up-to-date emperor would want an arch covered with all of that old-fashioned ornament. Modern arches, they say, are clean and pure, stripped of all that classical junk. “But could you do it if you wanted to?” the emperor asks. An embarrassed silence. Finally they admit: No, no we couldn’t.

I keep thinking of that story as I look at the New York Times’ very interesting slide show of proposals for the rebuilding of Ground Zero. The most striking thing about all the designs on view is that none of them seem to show the slightest understanding of how people in cities use public spaces. The design that seems to have most impressed the authorities in New York, by Daniel Liebskind, amounts to basically a giant sunken below-ground public space – ie, just the kind of space that had to be torn up in front of the GM building at Fifth Avenue and 59th Street because nobody wanted to go down there. Liebskind’s space would be even worse. It is bigger for one thing and more isolated – and because it is public property, the police will be unable to shoo away the homeless who will set up a hobo city against its walls.

49 posted on 02/04/2003 1:05:58 PM PST by finnman69
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To: seamole
The corporation signed a 99-year lease which took effect a few weeks before the attacks. Talk about bad timing...

Aha... now I get it - thanks!
50 posted on 02/04/2003 1:11:26 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: montag813
Does your anti-German bias ever stop?

Frankly, both designs are breathtakingly ugly, and as a former New Yorker, I would say out of step with the New York streetscape.

51 posted on 02/04/2003 1:12:43 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: MadelineZapeezda
Libeskind is a Jew. Go back to "Discernment of Jewish and German Names 101" please.
52 posted on 02/04/2003 1:14:10 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: MadIvan
Why can't it simply be a wall like the Vietnam wall with names and an eternal flame? Why can't it be that simple? Why does it have to be so elaborate? We're trying to remember the names of those lost...NOT the designers. God, sometimes it's all so disgusting and always about $$$$
53 posted on 02/04/2003 1:15:24 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: montag813
True, but then again so did the WTC before everyone got used to it.

Oh, I think not. The WTC was the application of Gothic principles to modern sky-scraper design. They forced you to raise your eyes to the heavens. No one who had been inside their lobbies or stood outside them could fail to see the direct lineage. They certainly had little to do with the ugly glass and steel boxes around our cities.

Your comment speaks more about your own opinions than the reality of the WTC.

54 posted on 02/04/2003 1:16:38 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: freedumb2003
Looks kinda Teutonic to me -- if you were to read what Hitler was planing to build in London, and in the US if his reach could get that far, they were like this -- massive utlititarian structures demonstrating function over form.

Ummmm ... no. Hitler kicked the "function before form" architects out of Germany as a bunch of degenerate modernists. That was the Bauhaus group.

The Nazi buildings which surivive show a severe but classical line, like our government buildings from the 1930's. You can see a number of them in Munich still.

55 posted on 02/04/2003 1:18:55 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: ZULU
That's how I feel too. Seems the designs are harsh, cold, outgrageous looking and one more outrageous than the other. We're trying to remember those lost not those who designed the buildings. Simplicity is best and demonstrates class. We don't want gaudy!!!!
56 posted on 02/04/2003 1:19:27 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: seamole; Carry_Okie; Dialup Llama
Personally I like the two latice towers. I say this as someone who has worked across the river and who is quite familiear with NYC. That proposal puts two tall towers back on the skyline, provide observation decks back at the height of those towers, and solve the problem of people not wanting office space at that altitude. And I can't emphasize enough how wrong the NYC skyline looks downtown without those two towers there (you can find stylized NYC skylines throughout Manhattan and most still have two towers downtown). Those latice work towers are the best hope of putting two tall towers back downtown and making the NYC skyline look "right" again. (Note that this impulse to put the two missing towers back led to the towers of light memorial. Two towers just belong there.)

As for the complaint about the museum being wedged into the towers looking like a memorial to the terorists, I don't see it that way. That's where the planes hit. That's where a lot of people died (especially in the sky lobby of the South Tower). That's where people jumped to their deaths from and that's where the people were stopped from descending before the tower collapsed. I think that the height, with a view, is a far better place for a museum than in a hole in the ground where a foundation was. It freezes the moment before the collapse, not the ruins after it and puts the height at which the tragedy took place into context. And having memorial platforms on top, where the old observation decks and Windows on the World were is also ideal, in my opinion. I don't want future generations robbed of the view I had when I visited the top of the WTC as a child.

Tall enough to make a statement. Realistic enough to recognize that people won't rent in a really tall building. Correct, in my opinion, in putting the museum up in the sky where it belongs. Also correct in providing a spectacular view from a memorial park in the sky, while giving those who prefer to memorialize the two towers as two holes in the ground get their foundation-level memorial, too. And, frankly, none of the blobs, points, or antennas that I've seen proposed, nor the hole that is currently there on the skyline feels right to me. Walk around New York. Look at all of the idealized skylines in paint, neon, and wire and see how many still contain two towers anchoring the south end of the city (you can see one on the corner of the Port Authority Bus Terminal on 42nd Street). Nothing short of two towers will really make me happy, even if they are mostly framework, not solid buildings.

57 posted on 02/04/2003 1:20:10 PM PST by Question_Assumptions (`)
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To: finnman69
Looks like he (Daniel Liebskind) cares way too much about exotic geometric structural design, name recognition, non-conformity to surroundings and showmanship,

then he does about retail space, longevity and structural integrity.

But regardless of the committee, if whack job Bloomburg has anything to say about it,
it will be the most outlandish eyesore the world has ever known.
58 posted on 02/04/2003 1:23:00 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Question_Assumptions
Realistic enough to recognize that people won't rent in a really tall building.

Oh really. Got proof of that? Are they abandoning the Sears Tower or the Transamerica Building?

That's one shaky premise.

59 posted on 02/04/2003 1:24:58 PM PST by Carry_Okie (With friends like these, who needs friends?)
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To: steve-b
Bingo, we have a winner. Nothing quite captures the true spirit of New Yorkers.
60 posted on 02/04/2003 1:28:59 PM PST by MattinNJ
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